BCSnob

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We are not a shipping company. We ship our own products to as far as China, Australia, etc. through customs, with dry ice or cold packs in insulated packaging. Even Omaha steaks are shipped on dry ice: Omaha Steaks Shipping
Go read up on the information on “operation warp speed”; it includes scale up manufacturing and distribution.
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Yes you need dry ice to keep anything frozen for any length of time.
FedEx opened a new cold transport hub in 2016.
“At 83,000 sq. ft. of capacity, it has space for frozen (-25 to -10°C), refrigerated (2–8°C) and controlled room-temperature (15–25°C) storage.”
Likely not much of a market for -80C.
https://pharmaceuticalcommerce.com/speci........l-report/advancing-biopharma-cold-chain/
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Based upon your link it’s only $16 billion.
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$16 Billion is the market size for the entire cold chain market, not -80C. Figure 3.
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You’re right; I miss read the chart. When desired products require very cold shipping someone figures out how to do it. Take a look at bull or horse semen.
This might make you feel better about the distribution of the vaccines.
Quote: Distribution: Before the countermeasures are approved or authorized, the program will build the necessary plans and infrastructure for distribution.
HHS plans for a tiered approach to vaccine distribution, which will build on allocation methodology developed as part of pandemic flu planning and be adjusted based on experience during the first wave of the COVID-19 response, data on the virus and its impact on populations and the performance of each vaccine, and the needs of the essential workforce. OWS will expand domestic manufacturing and supplies of specialized materials and resources, such as glass vials, that can be necessary for distribution. DoD’s involvement will enable faster distribution and administration than would have otherwise been possible.
Select actions to support OWS distribution efforts include:
May 12: DoD and HHS announced a $138 million contract with ApiJect for more than 100 million prefilled syringes for distribution across the United States by year-end 2020, as well as the development of manufacturing capacity for the ultimate production goal of over 500 million prefilled syringes in 2021.
June 9: HHS and DoD announced a joint effort to increase domestic manufacturing capacity for vials that may be needed for vaccines and treatments:
$204 million to Corning to expand the domestic manufacturing capacity to produce an additional 164 million Valor Glass vials each year if needed.
$143 million to SiO2 Materials Science to ramp up capacity to produce the company’s glass-coated plastic container, which can be used for drugs and vaccines.
Fact Sheet: Explaining Operation Warp Speed
Shipping at the storage temperature is not the issue; shipping and distribution of 300 million doses around the entire country is the issue.
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BCSnob,
"Dry ice" is -104 F--so it is adequate to the needs of the vaccine.
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From the linked article on the mRNA vaccines
Quote: Executives from Moderna and Pfizer on Wednesday separately told the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice on Wednesday that mRNA-1273, which is Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine candidate, requires a storage temperature of negative 4 degrees Fahrenheit. BioNTech and Pfizer’s candidates, BN1162b2 and BNT162b2, need to be stored in negative 94 degrees Fahrenheit. . Why won’t dry ice work?
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This USA Today article says UPS is working on the cold chain transport. But also 25% of the cold pharma is damaged worldwide:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/heal........tribution-system-ready-nov-1/3413109001/
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Well that excludes Mexico.
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Most of our products are shipped cold; if we were loosing 25% it would be a major topic in meetings. Thus us especially true since many of our popular products are priced at $1000 a unit.
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