MEXICOWANDERER
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Once again for the last time
I will make this point clear
The primary value of a face mask is to ELIMINATE habitual touching of fingers to nose or mouth.
Goggles do the same for the eyes.
Are the 2 points confusing?
Once is a safe environment and after sanitizing hands and extraneous objects brought into the house a mask is unnecessary.
Stick a finger up a nose or rub your eyes.
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MEXICOWANDERER
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My type 2 diabetes + 72 years makes me "uncomfortable".
Oral antibiabetic drugs are hard to control in my particular case. Example" glyburide starts to work after a passage of 4 hours. Metformin is superb for me but does not do "enough"
I am going to ask my doctor about fast acting insulin then go on a self education binge for me only.
There is no doubt to me that chronic high A1C levels put me more at risk and the difference is not subtle.
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This publication appeals to me.
No I cannot use the special symbols direct page on this cellphone ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/frown.gif "frown") the fact that my blood sugar soars when I get the flu and Covid19 picks on the elderly diabetic caused me to become uncomfortable
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BCSnob
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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:Once is a safe environment and after sanitizing hands and extraneous objects brought into the house a mask is unnecessary. You are forgetting to wash the exposed skin on your face after removing the mask. So that when you touch your fingers to those areas (forehead, ears, neck, etc) not covered by a mask and goggles you don't transfer virus when you touch your mouth or nose.
This is the part most people forget; the mask and goggles only cover part of your body that was exposed to the airborne virus. Everything not covered by the mask and goggles was also exposed and is contaminated and you have now brought it into your house because you're only focused on the mask and goggles.
Think about it this way; when you are down wind from a campfire and were wearing a mask and goggles will you still smell like smoke (small airborne ash particles) after removing the mask and goggles?
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joebedford
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BCSnob wrote:the mask and goggles only cover part of your body that was exposed to the airborne virus. Which airborne virus are you talking about? COVID-19 isn't airborne.
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turbojimmy
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I went to a local restaurant last night doing curbside pickup (all inside dining is closed). I had given them my credit card over the phone. A guy came out wearing gloves and tried to hand me a clipboard and a pen to sign my receipt. Really?
Until we get smarter we're going to get deader.
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BCSnob
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joebedford wrote:BCSnob wrote:the mask and goggles only cover part of your body that was exposed to the airborne virus. Which airborne virus are you talking about? COVID-19 isn't airborne. Go read why there is a recommended 6ft separation as part of social distancing.
CDC: How Coronavirus Spreads
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'Airborne' is not always understood.
Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19: implications for IPC precaution recommendations
Scientific brief
29 March 2020
This version updates the 27 March publication by providing definitions of droplets by particle size and adding three relevant publications.
Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus
Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 ?m in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5?m in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes.2-7 In an analysis of 75,465 COVID-19 cases in China, airborne transmission was not reported.8
Droplet transmission occurs when a person is in in close contact (within 1 m) with someone who has respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing or sneezing) and is therefore at risk of having his/her mucosae (mouth and nose) or conjunctiva (eyes) exposed to potentially infective respiratory droplets. Transmission may also occur through fomites in the immediate environment around the infected person.8 Therefore, transmission of the COVID-19 virus can occur by direct contact with infected people and indirect contact with surfaces in the immediate environment or with objects used on the infected person (e.g., stethoscope or thermometer).
Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5?m in diameter, can remain in the air for long periods of time and be transmitted to others over distances greater than 1 m.
In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
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BCSnob
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Moderator wrote:Droplet transmission occurs when a person is in in close contact (within 1 m) with someone who has respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing or sneezing) and is therefore at risk of having his/her mucosae (mouth and nose) or conjunctiva (eyes) exposed to potentially infective respiratory droplets. Transmission may also occur through fomites in the immediate environment around the infected person.8 Therefore, transmission of the COVID-19 virus can occur by direct contact with infected people and indirect contact with surfaces in the immediate environment or with objects used on the infected person (e.g., stethoscope or thermometer). If you are exposed to droplet transmission (infected person choughs, sneezes, etc.) the droplets won't just land on your protective mask and/or goggles; they will land on all of you. Now your entire body can transmit the infection by touching any of your infected body with your fingers and then touching your nose and/or mouth. A properly fitted mask protects you from breathing in the droplets but it does not prevent your body from being contaminated.
Note: The latest data supports infected people can transmit the infection prior to the onset of symptoms (asymptomatic).
A mask may or may not protect the average person (those not being required to be in high risk environments for the presence of droplets) from becoming infected because the mask only prevents inhalation of droplets not surface contamination of entire body; however, masks could minimize spreading virus containing droplets by asymptomatic people. The asymptomatic people will likely still be generating surface contamination of everything they touch even wearing a mask.
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Exactly what was explained in the quote you used. (Mod)
I understand that but clearly those advocating for mask use don’t get the nuances of droplets don’t just go to the mask. (Mark)
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My wife has been cleared by her doctors to go back to work. All in it was about a 3 week ordeal. It played out pretty much how most people have read: Mild symptoms first, peaking at around 8-9 days, and (if you survive the peak) full recovery about a week later. It's nasty and scary but not a death sentence. For about 1 in 100 it is deadly (and it sucks for that one person). We definitely do need to isolate to stop the spread to protect that 1-in-100 people. We can't minimize this by comparing it to the flu. By the time it's all over, deaths will be 2x or more that of the flu (they're saying 100,000-250,000).
My wife was probably asymptomatic for 4-6 days, and then developed a nasty cough. At that time, you could count on one hand the number of people in NJ that had been diagnosed with it. We actually made fun of her saying she had the coronavirus. She did. So there was a solid 2 weeks of no extra precautions being taken by any of the other 4 of us living under the same roof. I think we all had it and our bodies dealt with it in different ways, none as severe as my wife though. I believe it's because she has a compromised immune system. If she didn't, this would have passed by like the flu or a bad cold.
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pianotuna
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turbojimmy,
I'm glad she recovered. Now let's hope a person can not get it twice.
Regards, Don
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