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twodownzero wrote:Same law here in New Mexico. Don't bring your overloaded trucks here. Trucks cannot be tagged for more than they are rated for.
We go there every winter. We do get stopped all the time in AZ and NM by border agent check points.
Nobody has ever tried to scale me in NM.
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CALandLIN wrote:The GVWR is the vehices load limit. The excess GAWR is load capacity reserves. Read any owners manual. Read the FMVSS (standards). You cannot point a finger at the manufacturer when they have told you so and put it on the vehicle certification label and in vehicle owner's manual.
If it's over weight and busts it's the owners fault, PERIOD!.
Sort of like the posted speed limit signs. Nobody ever goes over those posted limits. If your factory steering fails and you are going 66 in a 65 obviously the manufacturer is off the hook.
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twodownzero wrote:Same law here in New Mexico. Don't bring your overloaded trucks here. Trucks cannot be tagged for more than they are rated for.
Got a LINK for that statement?
The one where NM uses GVWR and will fine if exceeded?
Is it time for your medication or mine?
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Old-Biscuit wrote:" Motor Vehicle Act Regulations in British Columbia prohibit the operation of vehicles that are unsafe or improperly loaded and exceed either the Gross Axle Rating (GAWR) or the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)."
I’m not a lawyer but when I read that sentence it has an AND between first conditions (unsafe or improperly loaded) and the second (over one of the ratings).
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notsobigjoe
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What you're missing is what you've learned, basically nobody with a TC pays attention to the GVWR.
My 11' TC sitting on a Chevy 3500 SRW weighed in at 11,140 pounds, the truck's GVWR was 9,900. I was not over axle or tire ratings and I put thousands of trouble free miles on the rig, some of them towing a boat.
I then upgraded to a 2005 Chevy dually. The same camper put that truck at about 13,100 pounds, it's GVWR was 11,400. Again, I wasn't over the axle or tire ratings. I had the dually tagged for 14,000 pounds.
The 11.5" AAM rear axle in a Chevy dually is actually rated by AAM at 10,200 pounds but in my truck GM only rated it at 8,550. Their rating was largely based on the weight rating of the factory tires. Upgrading the truck to 19.5" rims and tires would have gone a long way toward letting me use the entire 10,200 pound rating of the axle.
Here's two interesting facts for people who think the GVWR is "gospel".
My company bought a new Chevy 3500 SRW in 2015. They normally come with an 11,500 pound GVWR. Ours was ordered with the optional 10,000 pound rating so that numerous DOT regulations didn't apply to it. There was zero mechanical difference in the truck.
If you run regular "passenger car" tags on a truck in VA they are only good for 7,500 pounds. A truck with a 10,000 pound GVWR that weighs 9,000 pounds is legally overweight if it has car tags. That same truck, if it has truck tags and is registered for 12,000 pounds is not legally overweight if it weighs 12,000 pounds.
You made the point better than I could have ever made it. The reason I have not upgraded to 19.5 tires and wheels is because the upgrade itself would add weight. The tires, rims, lugs are the only weak link left on my rig. I have Alcoa rims and lug nuts, pretty; but I don't like them. I want to switch to American steel rims and lug nuts. I will also upgrade to load f tires when these are done. My extra leaf springs in the rear added 750 lbs of lift per side but the springs themselves weighed 100 pounds that's why I don't factor the 750 per side, just the 700. Same thing with the upgraded front brakes they advertised 15% more stopping grab so I just add 10% because of the extra weight of the up-sized brakes. I'm interested to here what you think about this. upgrading versus weight.
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JIMNLIN
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op wrote:Tires are 265/70R17E 2731 lbs. So does that mean for the pair of rear tires I have 5462 lbs of capacity? Well under what the axle can handle... what a flaw of initial design...
The 2731 lbs is for a dual wheel application as in a one ton drw truck (dually)
LT265/70-17E have 3195 lbs of capacity when used on a single wheel.
The BC clicky posted is not any type of weight code and is just a fact or info sheet. RV websites are notorious for posting them.
For actual weight codes we have to go to..... BCs Motor
Vehicle Act and Regulations.
Looking at BCs
"weight scales" section says:
(4) The gross weight of any vehicle or combination of vehicles shall be the sum of the individual gross axle weights of all the axles of the vehicle or combination of vehicles.
BC posters have chimed in on our trailering forums and other rv websites and all agree they register their trucks at a gvwr however it can be the truck makers gvwr or use the sum of the GAWRs as the trucks GVWR. BC weight scale code confirms this.
BC is no different than states weight codes according to those that make their living pulling trailers (non rv) in the US and Canada.
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twodownzero
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work2much wrote:twodownzero wrote:Same law here in New Mexico. Don't bring your overloaded trucks here. Trucks cannot be tagged for more than they are rated for.
We go there every winter. We do get stopped all the time in AZ and NM by border agent check points.
Nobody has ever tried to scale me in NM.
The border Patrol doesn't have jurisdiction over vehicle weight.
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noteven
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Anyone know if BC’s “door sticker” regs have been tested in court vs the Act?
My Cirrus 820 has a very specific list of “lies” on the data sheet.
The liers aren’t very smart because it weighs what the sheet says when you scale it, loaded per the data sheet.
For the door sticker police: do you think every Kenworth you see hauling a big oversize load on a 12 axle+ trailer with pilot cars and etc under a $$$$$$$$ permit has a door sticker rating of 487,000 lbs?
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twodownzero
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Old-Biscuit wrote:twodownzero wrote:Same law here in New Mexico. Don't bring your overloaded trucks here. Trucks cannot be tagged for more than they are rated for.
Got a LINK for that statement?
The one where NM uses GVWR and will fine if exceeded?
As with all questions involving the law, "it depends."
For truck camper loads, it's simply a matter of registration laws. The MVD will not, and cannot (by both statutory and administrative law) register a vehicle for more than its GVWR. So if we're talking about a single vehicle, the fine would be for being over one's registered weight, which is equal to GVWR. When a person goes to register a vehicle in NM, the registered weight is on the registration and is either a byproduct of the vehicle VIN or a VIN inspection, where the clerk will physically look at the door sticker and issue a registration for that number.
This is in contrast to where I've had vehicles registered elsewhere--in Indiana they tried to give me a 7k lb. plate for a truck that weighed more than that empty! I had to specify what plate I wanted, which there were certain milestones, I think I picked 9k because I didn't anticipate using any more than that at the time. In Illinois a regular truck plate is 8k pounds; then next milestone was 12k.
For trailers in NM, it's a matter of administrative regulation and statute. MVD has the authority to define license classes. The administrative regulation defines what a "Class D license" is. A class D license authorizes the operation of a vehicle less than 26,001 pounds, which may tow a trailer equal to the weight of the "towing vehicle," or greater if certain conditions are met, the first of which is "manufacturer's rated capacity."
http://164.64.110.134/parts/title18/18.019.0005.html
Also, like the rules for truck campers/single vehicles, if GVWR is exceeded, the same law regarding registered weight would be violated as well.
So if you're in NM and you're towing a trailer, for example, that exceeds your towing vehicle's GVWR (e.g., through excessive tongue weight), you would be guilty of both operating your vehicle in excess of its registered weight (simple, weight > registered weight) AND operating a motor vehicle without a driver's license (because your license is not valid when the vehicle combination you're operating is not within the license class you hold).
Obviously no clear answer is available for all possible factual scenarios, but the simple answer is that generally it violates at least one traffic law in New Mexico to operate a non-commercial vehicle in excess of the rated capacity of the vehicle.
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Click Here for ram bodybuilders website for 2012.
click on your truck (2500/3500) than under technical information you will see camper guide. click on it and it should open This Page
Now you get to read the famous "not recommend on trucks with snow plow package" line ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") The snow plow package includes a bigger alternate and a skid plate for the transfer case, I assume they don't want you snow plowing with camper on.
further down on this link, look up your truck in the tables.
Now I am guessing you have a 4wd? I think I read short bed? and I think I read 10100 GVWR? Probably diesel?
According to Ram, you are rated to carry a 1793 lb camper.
also in this web page you can find your weight numbers
it matches what I think you said about 6200lbs GAWR on rear.
it also shows max payload of 2750 lbs (that includs you wife and dog) with a Baseweight of 7335 lbs, base wt rear of 2808.
if your tires are rated at 3200 lbs each x 2 tires = 6400 lbs max rear weight supported by tires. subtract 2800 lbs empty load and you come up with 3600 lbs max load in bed.
(that 2800 lbs ounds low and I bet that does not include full tank of fuel, you really need to weigh truck with you/wife/dog/stuff and full tank of fuel to know what this "empty" number is.
now if you keep the rear axle load under the max tire load number you will probably be OK.
Remember that 3600 lbs includes loaded camper AND tong weight AND about 1/2 the weight of people/stuff/dog in cab, you will be below your tire ratings. To me when looking at all these numbers, its the tire ratings number I will not exceed.
I had 2006 3500 SRW 2wd with diesel and my Wolf Creek 840 was under the tire numbers pretty much loaded, but as soon as I hooked up a trailer I started to exceed those tire ratings.
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