notsobigjoe
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On my present rig, A 96 Chevy Cheyenne 3500 dually I have a 10000 pound rating. My rig has been weighed in at 13500 by a dot officer in NC. It was a 180 ticket. The problem was not the weight but the registered weight. I registered it for 15000 when I got home and all is well.
Normally I am not so over weighted. I usually run it about 12000 lbs. I have an extra leaf in the rear which is 700 a piece and I can reduce my cab weight by 2.5 people because it was originally a crew cab work truck. Chevy includes 150 pounds per person in the calculation times 5 people is 750 lbs. Between me, my wife and two ten pound dogs that equals roughly another 380 pounds. 750 - 370 = 380
So in my little world this puts me at about a GVWR of 10.220 pounds. Bingo.
In reality I still weigh 12000 lbs so I upgraded my front brakes as well.
I have a combined axle weight of 11700. All in all not so bad.
Take what you want out of this......
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ticki2
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notsobigjoe wrote:On my present rig, A 96 Chevy Cheyenne 3500 dually I have a 10000 pound rating. My rig has been weighed in at 13500 by a dot officer in NC. It was a 180 ticket. The problem was not the weight but the registered weight. I registered it for 15000 when I got home and all is well.
Normally I am not so over weighted. I usually run it about 12000 lbs. I have an extra leaf in the rear which is 700 a piece and I can reduce my cab weight by 2.5 people because it was originally a crew cab work truck. Chevy includes 150 pounds per person in the calculation times 5 people is 750 lbs. Between me, my wife and two ten pound dogs that equals roughly another 380 pounds. 750 - 370 = 380
So in my little world this puts me at about a GVWR of 10.220 pounds. Bingo.
In reality I still weigh 12000 lbs so I upgraded my front brakes as well.
I have a combined axle weight of 11700. All in all not so bad.
Take what you want out of this...... This is an interesting approach in some states . The manufacturer says the truck is capable of 10000# gvwr , it gets registered for 15000# gvwr . Who decides it is capable of 15000# gvwr , and how .
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KD4UPL
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What you're missing is what you've learned, basically nobody with a TC pays attention to the GVWR.
My 11' TC sitting on a Chevy 3500 SRW weighed in at 11,140 pounds, the truck's GVWR was 9,900. I was not over axle or tire ratings and I put thousands of trouble free miles on the rig, some of them towing a boat.
I then upgraded to a 2005 Chevy dually. The same camper put that truck at about 13,100 pounds, it's GVWR was 11,400. Again, I wasn't over the axle or tire ratings. I had the dually tagged for 14,000 pounds.
The 11.5" AAM rear axle in a Chevy dually is actually rated by AAM at 10,200 pounds but in my truck GM only rated it at 8,550. Their rating was largely based on the weight rating of the factory tires. Upgrading the truck to 19.5" rims and tires would have gone a long way toward letting me use the entire 10,200 pound rating of the axle.
Here's two interesting facts for people who think the GVWR is "gospel".
My company bought a new Chevy 3500 SRW in 2015. They normally come with an 11,500 pound GVWR. Ours was ordered with the optional 10,000 pound rating so that numerous DOT regulations didn't apply to it. There was zero mechanical difference in the truck.
If you run regular "passenger car" tags on a truck in VA they are only good for 7,500 pounds. A truck with a 10,000 pound GVWR that weighs 9,000 pounds is legally overweight if it has car tags. That same truck, if it has truck tags and is registered for 12,000 pounds is not legally overweight if it weighs 12,000 pounds.
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You keep saying super hitch so don't forget to add the tong weight of what ever your towing Times the unknown modifier of that weight on a lever (Super hitch).
Also i found truck camper mag was dead on with wet weight numbers in there buyers guide
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"passenger car tags" on a truck in VA. are only good for 7500 lbs. In N.Y. it's 5500 lbs. This was done eons ago for the parkways to keep trucks out. I add a 3000 lb. TC to my F350 SRW and I go from commercial tags to passenger tags,go figure. 19.5's were the icing on the cake for my truck,only other mod were upper stableloads.
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Kayteg1
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As notsobigjoe pointed- if the factory GVWR bothers you - go to local DMV and pay for registration upgrade. End of the story.
Now when your tires seem to have much lower capacity than axle rating, they are 7-8 yo and due for replacement becouse of age.
Get tires with higher rating and you will have another story ended.
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hedge
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I try to stay out of these posts but since you're also in Alberta and I assume you will likely be traveling to BC then you may want to check out some of their documentation. I read the link below to be that they do go by GVWR but maybe your interpretation is different. I'm sure you've heard the stories as well but I can't really find out if they are fact or fiction.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/trans........information/seasonal/recreation-trailers
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Old-Biscuit
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hedge wrote:I try to stay out of these posts but since you're also in Alberta and I assume you will likely be traveling to BC then you may want to check out some of their documentation. I read the link below to be that they do go by GVWR but maybe your interpretation is different. I'm sure you've heard the stories as well but I can't really find out if they are fact or fiction.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/trans........information/seasonal/recreation-trailers
My apologies to the OP.
Didn't notice he has Calgary listed as 'home'
BC DOES use MFGs GVWR and/or GAWR
You will need to keep to the MFGs GVWR of 10,100#
" Motor Vehicle Act Regulations in British Columbia prohibit the operation of vehicles that are unsafe or improperly loaded and exceed either the Gross Axle Rating (GAWR) or the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)."
As for those tires
265/70R17E ----- where did you come up with the load rating of 2731#
I have a Dodge RAM 3500 SRW with 265/70R17E and the max load rating is 3195# at 80 psi
RAWR 6200 and rear tires equal 6390# total load capacity
(Max load rating stamped in sidewall of tires)
Different governing laws/regulations UP NORTH
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twodownzero
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Same law here in New Mexico. Don't bring your overloaded trucks here. Trucks cannot be tagged for more than they are rated for.
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CALandLIN
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The GVWR is the vehices load limit. The excess GAWR is load capacity reserves. Read any owners manual. Read the FMVSS (standards). You cannot point a finger at the manufacturer when they have told you so and put it on the vehicle certification label and in vehicle owner's manual.
If it's over weight and busts it's the owners fault, PERIOD!.
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