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I realize it's a red herring, best most of us can tell. That's why I talked to an attorney friend who makes a good living fighting insurance companies over car crashes, etc. Half of his answer was as expected, the other half was a surprise :
"There are a lot of guys on death row because they were over their GVWR tire rating. I have never heard of anyone getting sued because they were over their rating."
I don't know if he was being hyperbolic about death row, but he's a good enough friend that I have no reason to doubt the underlying message.
Looking up GVWR in Oregon statutes suggests one is subject to civil action, whatever that means. I would imagine my friend's warning had to do with accidents where the driver of the overloaded rig was at fault and people died.
Either way, even if the penalty isn't as clear, the letter of the law in my state is fairly clear. It's obviously some form of no-no, and I'm not the kind of person who knowingly breaks the law.
All signs point to NL sportsman. Maybe Bigfoot? If it's gonna be a non-slide, I like the idea of clamshell fiberglass design.
On that note, does anyone know how accurate NL's literature was roughly 10-15 years ago? I've seen some used Ten 2000's from that era that claim 2400 dry, and that seems low compared to what they're running these days. I'd love to have the generator compartment, but I don't want to drive halfway across the country to get a good deal on one only to find out it's too heavy.
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Feel free to post just one example of someone being on death row because they were over GVWR. I think you just missed his humor, or he's not very good.
I believe Nothern Lite weights in brochure are without options.
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Quote:"There are a lot of guys on death row because they were over their GVWR tire rating. I have never heard of anyone getting sued because they were over their rating."
I think that point, possible humor or ribbing aside, is clear: TIRE rating.
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Let's not beat around the bush shall we? LOL This is the scale results for my 2010 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 Power Stroke Long box with AF990 fully loaded and ready for a camping trip with both the wife and I sitting in the cab. We had pretty much full water, full LP, food, clothes, you name it.
My tires are Toyo Open Country's rated at 4080lbs per tire so I'm under the tire rating on all counts. My truck, on the other hand, I'm over by 1740lbs
It handles the weight fine with the suspension work I've done. We can debate what it takes to give a rating (wheels, tires, suspension, brakes etc) but in the end, I'm over. Plane and simple.
When others say add 1000lbs to the WET weight and you will be closer they are correct ....My AF says it weighs in at 3650lbs wet (or so) but in reality it's more like 4650. That scale ticket there shows with my wife and I ready to came we're hauling over 5000lbs more than the truck weighs.
No bones about it, to be under the GVW sticker on the truck you will have to go with a dually and likely a 450. We can debate if it's really needed or not, but no getting around the fact that you can't haul a 990 or similar unit AND stay under the GVW without it.
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Still not sure if the OP is leaning weight cops or common sense.
One things for sure. This thread just nuked like the rest of them.....
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jimh425 wrote:Feel free to post just one example of someone being on death row because they were over GVWR. I think you just missed his humor, or he's not very good.
I believe Nothern Lite weights in brochure are without options.
He's definitely very good, so if anything, I just missed the point. I will ask him for clarification. I am just a humble seeker of knowledge in this endeavor and have no agenda other than to not break any laws or kill anyone.
I've never been in an at-fault accident--nor do I plan to be. But heaven forbid it happens and someone dies. Perhaps the more relevant issue here would be an accident where fault was questionable, and being overloaded on GVWR tipped the scales of culpability.
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Jeez... For a guy who dishes out far more sarcasm than he receives, my meter must have been way off yesterday. I just checked with him, and indeed, he was messing with me.
I wish that made my decision easier as opposed to cloudier. I guess I need to dig back into the state statutes. As far as WA is concerned, it looks like TIRES are the main deciding factor. I'll see if I can find the snippet I found yesterday for OR.
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Dude, seriously, you’re overthinking this. If you’re that concerned about this and are actually hauling a camper many weekends a year, get a dually, sleep well at night and have fun camping.
And before the “duallys s uck in the snow” folks chime in....no, they don’t. Especially if they’re 4wd and have a camper in thebed.
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Sliding-into-home wrote:Jeez... For a guy who dishes out far more sarcasm than he receives, my meter must have been way off yesterday. I just checked with him, and indeed, he was messing with me.
I wish that made my decision easier as opposed to cloudier. I guess I need to dig back into the state statutes. As far as WA is concerned, it looks like TIRES are the main deciding factor. I'll see if I can find the snippet I found yesterday for OR.
Let me know if you find anything. The only things I ever found in ORS involving GVWR is that 26001 lbs and up is commercial and other classifications like for chain laws. Vehicle weights are only concerned with 600 lbs per inch of tread witdth which won’t even come close on a truck camper. Lastly, the standard you do have to meet is for braking: 20 mph to 0 within 35 feet (https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/815.125).
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Finally found the applicable law for Oregon. Long story short, and as many have suggested/surmised, it's all about tires and axle weight.
Rather than clutter up the thread, the relevant laws are 818.020 and its reference to 818.10, if anyone wants to look them up.
synopsis: lesser of sidewall weigh rating or 600lbs multiplied by the total width of tires (in inches) on the axle = maximum weight on that axle.
I can't find any other reference to actual laws/penalties, especially any that pertain to the tire and loading sticker. I'd be interested in seeing those though, if anyone knows of anything.
Best I can tell, Oregon's legalese is primarily concerned with damage to roads and the repercussion is a fine that would be minimal for the average TC owner, not to mention highly unlikely.
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Sliding-into-home wrote:Finally found the applicable law for Oregon. Long story short, and as many have suggested/surmised, it's all about tires and axle weight.
Rather than clutter up the thread, the relevant laws are 818.020 and its reference to 818.10, if anyone wants to look them up.
synopsis: lesser of sidewall weigh rating or 600lbs multiplied by the total width of tires (in inches) on the axle = maximum weight on that axle.
I can't find any other reference to actual laws/penalties, especially any that pertain to the tire and loading sticker. I'd be interested in seeing those though, if anyone knows of anything.
Best I can tell, Oregon's legalese is primarily concerned with damage to roads and the repercussion is a fine that would be minimal for the average TC owner, not to mention highly unlikely.
I don't read that statute the same way. It says exactly this:
ORS 818.010 table 1 wrote:The manufacturer’s side wall tire rating (but not to exceed 600 pounds) X the sum of the tire widths, in inches, of the wheels of the axle or tandem axles = maximum allowable weight.
It says it's the sidewall rating multiplied by total tire tread width for that axle. In that context, the 3-4k lb "max load" rating of a tire we're all familiar with doesn't make any sense. Does anyone know if commercial tires (which this law is mostly about) are rated differently with a "per-inch" spec?
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