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I think the law actually has the parentheses in the wrong place. Should read "(but not to exceed)" instead of "(but not to exceed 600 pounds)." All other documentation suggests it is as I wrote:
1. sidewall rating (presumably multiplied by the number of tires)
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2. 600lbs x total width of tires on that axle
Lots more practical application here: http://library.state.or.us/repository/2006/200611241001055/index.pdf
But in any event, I've taken us into the weeds with this, especially considering we're only talking about one state's laws. In any event, multiplying a 10-ply tire width for the average 1-ton (11-12 inches?) by 600, means we're clearly still looking at the tire's sidewall rating anyway.
I would be comfortable defending in court a fully loaded CAT scale measurement of my rear axle subtracted from the sum of my rear axle's sidewall ratings based on the wording of this law. This also assumes being under the total GVWR, 11,500 in my case.
In any event, not going to happen with a AF 990--not on a fully-loaded SRW anyway. So I'm either going to order a Wolf 850 to save some money or splurge on a NL 9'6. Neither have generator compartments. Not thrilled about that. Any Cirrus owners out there?! I think that back bumper will make my rig just a tad too long.
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Now, even though that law is out of the context that you’re worried about , why would you be ok with basically a DOT generic axle weight law and not be worried about the mfgs axle rating when you are concerned with the mfgs gvw?
You’re confusing issues and not really sure what your concerns are other than not wanting to be able to get sued if you have a bad day, when you could easily get sued for the same thing “if” anything actually went that way.
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Seems like you’d be better off trading for a DRW and get the TC you want. Trading a truck is going to be much easier than trading a TC and I think you’ll lose less money.
After you get the DRW, look for a used 11 1/2 multi slided TC with dry bath to dry your clothes etc and be done.
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Believe me, I considered this after starting this thread. Thing is, I know I can make a smaller camper work just fine for my purposes. Heck, all I ever really wanted before I upgraded my truck was a place to cook lunch when it was blowing snow too hard to tail-gate and a warm-ish place to sleep at night.
But I don't know if I can live with an unloaded dually as a daily driver for the other 8 months. Maybe I could? I'd never researched or considered it. No idea of the pros and cons apart from tire cost (negligible in the grand scheme), size (obvious), and handling characteristics of an unloaded bed.
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You are going to have to compromise on one thing or the other.. I carried the TC in my signature for 8 1/2 years on my SRW. Eventually the SRW was too large to park at work when I changed jobs. I started with a SuperCab 8ft. SRW because that was the biggest that would fit at work.
I’m finding my 9 1/2 just barely big enough now that I have two dogs.
There are plenty of DRW vs SRW threads in the archives. Some real reasons why the DRW won’t work for daily drivers. I can go through some drivethroughs. . Seriously, I don’t live for drivethroughs so that’s a tolerable issue. I would park at the end of the parking lot any way, so the DRW isn’t an issue.
TCs are best when you are outside most of the time. There are a lot of dark hours on the mountain though at ski areas.
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I'm thinking since I'm only going to let my son have an x-ray box in the camper that we will find a way to pass the evening hours. Plus there's night skiing at our mountain until 9pm. Good info!
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Sliding-into-home wrote: I realize it's a red herring, best most of us can tell. That's why I talked to an attorney friend who makes a good living fighting insurance companies over car crashes, etc. Half of his answer was as expected, the other half was a surprise :
"There are a lot of guys on death row because they were over their GVWR tire rating. I have never heard of anyone getting sued because they were over their rating."
I don't know if he was being hyperbolic about death row, but he's a good enough friend that I have no reason to doubt the underlying message.
Looking up GVWR in Oregon statutes suggests one is subject to civil action, whatever that means. I would imagine my friend's warning had to do with accidents where the driver of the overloaded rig was at fault and people died.
Either way, even if the penalty isn't as clear, the letter of the law in my state is fairly clear. It's obviously some form of no-no, and I'm not the kind of person who knowingly breaks the law.
All signs point to NL sportsman. Maybe Bigfoot? If it's gonna be a non-slide, I like the idea of clamshell fiberglass design.
On that note, does anyone know how accurate NL's literature was roughly 10-15 years ago? I've seen some used Ten 2000's from that era that claim 2400 dry, and that seems low compared to what they're running these days. I'd love to have the generator compartment, but I don't want to drive halfway across the country to get a good deal on one only to find out it's too heavy.
Check out Bigfoot’s 1500 series camper. No basement and 1” of insulation but the weight is 2245. Might be a option to consider
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Thank you Bob. Bigfoot is on the short list as well. Fortunately, our local-ish dealer has Bigfoot, NL, Northwood, Cirrus, and ALP.
I think the shortlist is:
NL 9-6
Cirrus 920
Bigfoot 1500
AF 865
Wolf Creek 850
I went to my Lance dealer a couple times, and am kinda bummed. I know their 850 would work very well, and a stripped-down 995 might come close, depending on my axle weights (which I'm getting this week), but I was kinda surprised at the finish work and attention to detail. I don't know if it's a Lance issue or a dealer issue. Wouldn't really care if it was a well-used camper, but it was sort of off-putting to see on the new stuff.
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Interesting. So from a legal standpoint, as long as the two rear tires are rated high enough to carry the weight the law is ok with it? If I read that right?
It wouldn't surprise me really, since the sticker is based on stock components and people can and do upgrade components all the time.
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That's just as far as Oregon's state law is concerned, and as far as I (an individual human with no legal background) was able to find in a few hours of research.
Obviously, manufacturers publish payload ratings, GVWR, etc. While I didn't find anything in Oregon's laws about these other measurements, I know if got into a car accident with someone driving overloaded, all those measurements would come up in court. While they wouldn't guarantee any particular outcome, they would add to evidence if there was a case there to begin with.
For those reasons, and for the safety/longevity of my truck, I'm limiting myself to the GAWRs front and rear as determined by my actual truck and the actual camper I buy (or very close to them... I won't sweat being a couple hundred lbs over). The dealer I'm working with will let me "test drive" for this purpose (that is, I'll decide on a camper and before completing the deal, I'll get to verify the axle weights).
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