JIMNLIN
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Quote:My point was that it is ASSummed by many to be exactly the same truck as the higher stickered trucks.
I would never ASSume such a thing without doing my homework. Doesn't matter what a salesperson says, or some unknown poster on a forum.
The home work has already been done. Hang around some of the Ford truck websites shows us those folks already have all the numbers.
Hell even at my age its easy to read Fleet Fords website mechanical weight specs and see which trucks are different and which are the same.
So when someone says the 10000 gvwr or 11500 gvwr F350 srw (example) crew cab 6.7 diesel 4x4 172" wb is the same truck those specs from Ford proves it out.
The F350 SRW has several other cab/bed length/etc with different gvwr numbers.....but the same truck.
One irv2 member came up with a new F350 SRW 6.7 with the 10k gvwr sticker. The weight cops were very bad over there at that time. They convinced the poor guy he had to trade for the same truck with a 11500 gvwr sticker. Cost him 2700 bucks all together....but ignorance is bliss and he towed happily down the road.
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spoon059
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Lantley wrote:Since this thread is focused on truck buying and payload rating vs. enforcement.
I guess we agree it has more legal ramifications than
"The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China"
We've gotten this thread off topic, shame on us. I stand by my comments, but I don't want to continue the derailed thread. My apologies OP.
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Lantley
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spoon059 wrote:Lantley wrote:Since this thread is focused on truck buying and payload rating vs. enforcement.
I guess we agree it has more legal ramifications than
"The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China"
We've gotten this thread off topic, shame on us. I stand by my comments, but I don't want to continue the derailed thread. My apologies OP.
It's not off topic as you think. Generally we are concerned with factory ratings when buying a truck.
What does confuse the issue is taxes and weight enforcement.
In some state a trucks exceeding 10K puts it in a different/more costly registration category. The manufacturers produce 10K versions of the same truck to avoid some registration pitfalls.
The commercial Enforcement people are concerned if your GVW exceeds 10K. Again 10K versions are produced to avoid going into DOT enforcement territory.
In the end, yes we are often talking the same truck with different paperwork. But these registration/taxation and enforcement concerns are real issues that one needs to be aware of at purchase time.
While there are plenty of us that have work trucks, most are not concerned about commercial enforcement rules however most are concerned with registration rules. Understanding that there are paper ratings that are different from the engineered ratings is important to know.
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From a TRUE legal standpoint, one should look up how their state enforces the legal ratings of how high you can go gvw or gcw wise. Here in Washington state, your door sticker means squat. EVERYONE that buys a truck pays tonnage. Minimum is 1.5 times the tare of the truck to the next highest ton. THAT is the legal amount you get, not the door sticker! I've had many trucks licensed at and over generally speaking what GM says I can run my trucks at. Been pulled over too! As long as I am under the paid for piece of paper I give the LEO, I'm fine.
UNLIKE the other day when I went in to a metals recycle place in my C2500. I was at 8300 lbs going in. I have a paid for license of 8000 lbs, my door sticker says 8600. So from an enforcement standpoint, I was 300 lbs over weight, but 300 lbs under my warranty ratings......If I had been pulled over and weighed by the State Patrol CVEO folks, I probably would have been let go, along with a 10 day letter to up the paid for license to 10k! A whopping $15 or so per ton cost! Had that happen in my Navistar once, at 150% of the manufactures rating!!! So reality is, I am personally not too worried about being over a manufactures rating when going thru weigh scales, or getting pulled over and weighed. As long as I am under the Federal Bridge Law tire patch ratings, ie 20K per axel, or 34K per tandem.....or if they go for lbs per inch width of tire like here, the lowest they can go is 500 lbs per inch. For most of us, that is 4 10" tires, 5000 lbs per tire, or 20K total.
How many of you are over 20K on the four tires on your SW pickups? thought so....
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Actually Washington cares about GVWR when it comes to chain laws: https://www.wsdot.com/winter/traction.htm
That’s an example of outdated laws that haven’t kept up with the times. 10,000 lbs used to mean “commercial” style trucks and not your average commuter pickup truck.
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What’s the reason for srw, you driving it daily when not towing? Dually is much more stable when getting that heavy. I’m looking at a toyhauler that has a max weight of 17k so that would be 4K at the pin. I see guys pulling with srw 2500 rams with 32” tires, 42 footers. The ratings are all over the board with the manufactures. I think you need to look who’s towing what down the road, or go to a rodeo and see what is the most popular rig. #1 Ram, #2 Ford and not many chevys. I guess for me it would be a 450
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As usual .... Hotly debated.
I just purchased a new ATV. They come in various engine displacements. I was looking at one in at a dealer that was enticing. It had an engine that was one size lower than I was really looking for. Other than that, it was perfect as far as I could see. And the price was good. I asked some questions about details.
Charging system output, spring rates, frame strength, power steering unit, etc. asn was told by 3 different salespersons (independantly) that they were EXACTLTY the same except for the engine size.
Being the skeptic that I am. I did my homework.
I looked up the part numbers on all of that stuff. They were all different.
That is how you do homework. Believing some sales person, or someone you do not know on the internet can be unreliable.
Lots of so called internet experts out there.
When you are spending MONEY.... Verify it.
Those on the internet will not be writing you a check, if you later find they were wrong.
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"What does confuse the issue is taxes and weight enforcement."
THIS is exactly why my Dually and all newer DRW pickups INCLUDING the f450 have 14K GVWR. If one pound over that it puts them in a Commercial classification!
Speaking of IRV2 I was kicked off there from stating my 14K was only there for licensing and tax purposes having that argument with SmokyWren I believe was the Moderators name. They actually accused me trying to sell my new truck and RV as an excuse to kick me off.
My argument was how can I have a SAE rated RAWR of 9,750# and load it to that and ONLY use my unloaded front axle weight of about 5,300# add these you get 15K.
He INSISTED I was overweight even tho I have tonnage to cover my actual 15,600# loaded truck weight.
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Well, this thread officially committed suicide......
The answer is "they all do." Or "none of them do."
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Huntindog
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Cummins12V98 wrote:"What does confuse the issue is taxes and weight enforcement."
THIS is exactly why my Dually and all newer DRW pickups INCLUDING the f450 have 14K GVWR. If one pound over that it puts them in a Commercial classification!
Speaking of IRV2 I was kicked off there from stating my 14K was only there for licensing and tax purposes having that argument with SmokyWren I believe was the Moderators name. They actually accused me trying to sell my new truck and RV as an excuse to kick me off.
My argument was how can I have a SAE rated RAWR of 9,750# and load it to that and ONLY use my unloaded front axle weight of about 5,300# add these you get 15K.
He INSISTED I was overweight even tho I have tonnage to cover my actual 15,600# loaded truck weight. I don't think I have ever seen a vehicle where the axle ratings added up to the GVWR. They always add up to more. Has nothing to do with a dually or classification. More to do with leeway for load distribution.
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