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rhagfo wrote:Huntindog wrote:bowler1 wrote:Hi,
I am the OP.
Thanks for all of the information. I do have some additional information to ad that I guess I forgot to put in the original post.
I am looking for a crew cab, 4x4, long bed in a Laramie, Lariat or LTZ configuration. This combination of features does lower the payload.
Agree with the poster above that says that it should be easy to figure out given only 3 truck makers, but so far that has not proven to be the case. There are a lot of variables and you really need to compare apples to apples. All the advertised weights are for stripped down gas engines...and some are for the dually and not the SRW which does not help.
I never thought this would be an issue when looking at new F350s until I looked at the door sticker and found that a truck that I thought from my research should have about a 3900 pound payload only had a 3200 pound payload. Big difference.
Again, it seems from what I have seen that the Ram in a similar configuration is over 4000 pounds as shown by door stickers, but I can't figure out why there would be such a huge difference.
To complicate matters, people on the ford forums tell me that Ford sells some of their trucks with a lower weight rating (despite no difference in teh truck) to certain states where the higher rated trucks are taxed as commercial vehicles. So the sticker weight may be "deflated"
Not sure why this has been such a difficult search. Just don't want to buy the wrong truck to safely pull the trailer i am looking at....and really don't want a dually since this will be my daily driver.
Matt
I have read about Ford deflating some of their trucks specs as well.... I have never verified it though.
It could be an internet myth. Something that starts out as speculation, and gets repeated enough times that many accept it as fact.
If it was my money and it was important to me.... I would do my homework before plunking down the money on such a truck.
You could look up part numbers for the different trucks on various parts. Several websites such as Rock auto Oriellys, even Ford could shed some light on it. Look at parts such as u joints, wheel bearings brake parts etc.
Not as easy as just posting the question on a forum.. But definently more reliable.
Don't think urban myth here is a link to the Keystone form, with a guy that bought a F350 SRW with a 10,500# GVWR.
Low GVWR F350
Never said the stickers did not go low. I have read as low as 10,000#.
My point was that it is ASSummed by many to be exactly the same truck as the higher stickered trucks.
I would never ASSume such a thing without doing my homework. Doesn't matter what a salesperson says, or some unknown poster on a forum.
The sticker is what is legal and what can be used for warranty purposes.
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Bobbo wrote:john&bet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600 Fish, hate to tell you but your Ram info is wrong. Just ordered a 2018 3500 SRW yesterday with a GVW of 12,000#.
I don't know if RAM made a change between 2017 and 2018, but the original poster stipulated a 2017 RAM, and your example is a 2018. I am well aware of that. The are both the same and the 4x4 will have a 12,300 GVW. Even a diesel GVW is higher than the gas model.
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Huntindog wrote:I would never ASSume such a thing without doing my homework. Doesn't matter what a salesperson says, or some unknown poster on a forum.
The sticker is what is legal and what can be used for warranty purposes.
The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China.
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john&bet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:rhagfo wrote:Huntindog wrote:bowler1 wrote:Hi,
I am the OP.
Thanks for all of the information. I do have some additional information to ad that I guess I forgot to put in the original post.
I am looking for a crew cab, 4x4, long bed in a Laramie, Lariat or LTZ configuration. This combination of features does lower the payload.
Agree with the poster above that says that it should be easy to figure out given only 3 truck makers, but so far that has not proven to be the case. There are a lot of variables and you really need to compare apples to apples. All the advertised weights are for stripped down gas engines...and some are for the dually and not the SRW which does not help.
I never thought this would be an issue when looking at new F350s until I looked at the door sticker and found that a truck that I thought from my research should have about a 3900 pound payload only had a 3200 pound payload. Big difference.
Again, it seems from what I have seen that the Ram in a similar configuration is over 4000 pounds as shown by door stickers, but I can't figure out why there would be such a huge difference.
To complicate matters, people on the ford forums tell me that Ford sells some of their trucks with a lower weight rating (despite no difference in teh truck) to certain states where the higher rated trucks are taxed as commercial vehicles. So the sticker weight may be "deflated"
Not sure why this has been such a difficult search. Just don't want to buy the wrong truck to safely pull the trailer i am looking at....and really don't want a dually since this will be my daily driver.
Matt
I have read about Ford deflating some of their trucks specs as well.... I have never verified it though.
It could be an internet myth. Something that starts out as speculation, and gets repeated enough times that many accept it as fact.
If it was my money and it was important to me.... I would do my homework before plunking down the money on such a truck.
You could look up part numbers for the different trucks on various parts. Several websites such as Rock auto Oriellys, even Ford could shed some light on it. Look at parts such as u joints, wheel bearings brake parts etc.
Not as easy as just posting the question on a forum.. But definently more reliable.
Don't think urban myth here is a link to the Keystone form, with a guy that bought a F350 SRW with a 10,500# GVWR.
Low GVWR F350
A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600 Fish, hate to tell you but your Ram info is wrong. Just ordered a 2018 3500 SRW yesterday with a GVW of 12,000#.
Pulled the information right off Ram web site, and was a PDF for 2017.
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spoon059 wrote:Huntindog wrote:I would never ASSume such a thing without doing my homework. Doesn't matter what a salesperson says, or some unknown poster on a forum.
The sticker is what is legal and what can be used for warranty purposes.
The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China. Yes I know that is hotly debated here a lot.. And you have made your position clear. But I notice you do not take issue with the potential warranty ramifications.
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Huntindog wrote:spoon059 wrote:Huntindog wrote:I would never ASSume such a thing without doing my homework. Doesn't matter what a salesperson says, or some unknown poster on a forum.
The sticker is what is legal and what can be used for warranty purposes.
The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China. Yes I know that is hotly debated here a lot.. And you have made your position clear. But I notice you do not take issue with the potential warranty ramifications. If the air conditioning or the power Windows go out, it won't have any effect on your warranty either. If you break the rear axle it might.
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spoon059 wrote:Huntindog wrote:I would never ASSume such a thing without doing my homework. Doesn't matter what a salesperson says, or some unknown poster on a forum.
The sticker is what is legal and what can be used for warranty purposes.
The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China.
The sticker is required by NHTSA and does have legal ramifications.
You don't think all manufactures put the same info sticker on every vehicle because they are nice guys.
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Huntindog wrote: But I notice you do not take issue with the potential warranty ramifications.
Nope. That is EXACTLY what that sticker is... a warranty number only. The challenge is upon the manufacturer to prove that you were over this number and that the failure is a direct result of your overloading.
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Lantley wrote:The sticker is required by NHTSA and does have legal ramifications.
You don't think all manufactures put the same info sticker on every vehicle because they are nice guys.
It has legal ramifications only to the original seller, in that the OEM has to provide a vehicle that is capable of carrying those weights. That sticker is in direct response to the Ford Explorer/Firestone tire fiasco where Ford recommended lower tire pressures than could adequately carry the weight. Ford realized that the Explorers were prone to overturning in certain circumstances. Rather than redesign the vehicle, they simply lowered the recommended PSI of the tires. Those lower tire pressures weren't sufficient to carry the weight of the trucks, which lead to tire failures.
That is the only legal ramification that it carries. It cannot be enforced by law enforcement out on the street.
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spoon059 wrote:Lantley wrote:The sticker is required by NHTSA and does have legal ramifications.
You don't think all manufactures put the same info sticker on every vehicle because they are nice guys.
It has legal ramifications only to the original seller, in that the OEM has to provide a vehicle that is capable of carrying those weights. That sticker is in direct response to the Ford Explorer/Firestone tire fiasco where Ford recommended lower tire pressures than could adequately carry the weight. Ford realized that the Explorers were prone to overturning in certain circumstances. Rather than redesign the vehicle, they simply lowered the recommended PSI of the tires. Those lower tire pressures weren't sufficient to carry the weight of the trucks, which lead to tire failures.
That is the only legal ramification that it carries. It cannot be enforced by law enforcement out on the street.
Since this thread is focused on truck buying and payload rating vs. enforcement.
I guess we agree it has more legal ramifications than
"The sticker has as much to do with "legality" as the price of tea in China"
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