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I tow a 16k 5th wheel with a 2435 dry pin weight with a 2015 SRW RAM CC SB 4x4 with 11700 GVWR and 7K RGAWR within the trucks ratings. Combined weight is 24,500 lbs. Trailer is a 39'4" high profile model.
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bowler1 wrote:I did not mention the weight of the trailer because it's not really relevant in this case. The issue is one of pin weight vs payload. As I stated the dry pin weight is 2500 to 2800 pounds for what I am looking at. Trailer weight approx 14k
But it is still relevant. Is that 14k full or empty? What percentage is the pin weight.
With 14k, 2800lbs is likey at the low end of what the pin weight will be. If it's 25% or that is empty weight, the pin could easily push 3500lb.
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I just ordered a 2018 Ram 3500 SRW, 2WD, CC, LB, Laramie, 5th prep, air assist suspension, bucket seats yesterday. GVW of 12,000, Payload listed at over 4K. We shall see if that is true when delivered. I shopped the other two and was not impressed with either the dealer or the truck. I looked at a Chevy 3500 dully, CC, long bed on a lot that had a payload sticker on the door of only 2700#. Go figure.
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FishOnOne wrote:rhagfo wrote:Huntindog wrote:bowler1 wrote:Hi,
I am the OP.
Thanks for all of the information. I do have some additional information to ad that I guess I forgot to put in the original post.
I am looking for a crew cab, 4x4, long bed in a Laramie, Lariat or LTZ configuration. This combination of features does lower the payload.
Agree with the poster above that says that it should be easy to figure out given only 3 truck makers, but so far that has not proven to be the case. There are a lot of variables and you really need to compare apples to apples. All the advertised weights are for stripped down gas engines...and some are for the dually and not the SRW which does not help.
I never thought this would be an issue when looking at new F350s until I looked at the door sticker and found that a truck that I thought from my research should have about a 3900 pound payload only had a 3200 pound payload. Big difference.
Again, it seems from what I have seen that the Ram in a similar configuration is over 4000 pounds as shown by door stickers, but I can't figure out why there would be such a huge difference.
To complicate matters, people on the ford forums tell me that Ford sells some of their trucks with a lower weight rating (despite no difference in teh truck) to certain states where the higher rated trucks are taxed as commercial vehicles. So the sticker weight may be "deflated"
Not sure why this has been such a difficult search. Just don't want to buy the wrong truck to safely pull the trailer i am looking at....and really don't want a dually since this will be my daily driver.
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I have read about Ford deflating some of their trucks specs as well.... I have never verified it though.
It could be an internet myth. Something that starts out as speculation, and gets repeated enough times that many accept it as fact.
If it was my money and it was important to me.... I would do my homework before plunking down the money on such a truck.
You could look up part numbers for the different trucks on various parts. Several websites such as Rock auto Oriellys, even Ford could shed some light on it. Look at parts such as u joints, wheel bearings brake parts etc.
Not as easy as just posting the question on a forum.. But definently more reliable.
Don't think urban myth here is a link to the Keystone form, with a guy that bought a F350 SRW with a 10,500# GVWR.
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A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600 Fish, hate to tell you but your Ram info is wrong. Just ordered a 2018 3500 SRW yesterday with a GVW of 12,000#.
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john&bet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600 Fish, hate to tell you but your Ram info is wrong. Just ordered a 2018 3500 SRW yesterday with a GVW of 12,000#.
I don't know if RAM made a change between 2017 and 2018, but the original poster stipulated a 2017 RAM, and your example is a 2018.
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Quote:
To complicate matters, people on the ford forums tell me that Ford sells some of their trucks with a lower weight rating (despite no difference in teh truck) to certain states where the higher rated trucks are taxed as commercial vehicles. So the sticker weight may be "deflated"
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A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600
Unless you check the "10,000 pound GVWR" box on the order form.
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Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.......like the last ___ payload threads!
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valhalla360 wrote:bowler1 wrote:I did not mention the weight of the trailer because it's not really relevant in this case. The issue is one of pin weight vs payload. As I stated the dry pin weight is 2500 to 2800 pounds for what I am looking at. Trailer weight approx 14k
But it is still relevant. Is that 14k full or empty? What percentage is the pin weight.
With 14k, 2800lbs is likey at the low end of what the pin weight will be. If it's 25% or that is empty weight, the pin could easily push 3500lb.
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Size and weight of the 5er have a huge relevance to this discussion.
Dry pin can change dramatically once loaded and towed, 20% to 25% is a very realistic pin percentage of loaded 5er weight.
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Bobbo wrote:john&bet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600 Fish, hate to tell you but your Ram info is wrong. Just ordered a 2018 3500 SRW yesterday with a GVW of 12,000#.
I don't know if RAM made a change between 2017 and 2018, but the original poster stipulated a 2017 RAM, and your example is a 2018.
My 16 has 12,300. LB 4x4 and Mega Cab 4x4 have 12,300 GVWR.
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transamz9 wrote:Bobbo wrote:john&bet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600 Fish, hate to tell you but your Ram info is wrong. Just ordered a 2018 3500 SRW yesterday with a GVW of 12,000#.
I don't know if RAM made a change between 2017 and 2018, but the original poster stipulated a 2017 RAM, and your example is a 2018.
My 16 has 12,300. LB 4x4 and Mega Cab 4x4 have 12,300 GVWR.
The tires they put on the Ford are rated for 3750 lbs, so 7500 lbs on the rear axle. The empty weight of the truck's rear axle is 3500 lbs so 4000 lbs on the pin would slightly overload the rear axle, max out the rear tire rating and put the truck up at 12,300 lbs. Is the Ram the same .... Ie would loading the truck to that 12300 GVWR with a 4000 lb pin end up overloading the rear axle and loading rear tires to their max load limit?
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