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Huntindog wrote:bowler1 wrote:Hi,
I am the OP.
Thanks for all of the information. I do have some additional information to ad that I guess I forgot to put in the original post.
I am looking for a crew cab, 4x4, long bed in a Laramie, Lariat or LTZ configuration. This combination of features does lower the payload.
Agree with the poster above that says that it should be easy to figure out given only 3 truck makers, but so far that has not proven to be the case. There are a lot of variables and you really need to compare apples to apples. All the advertised weights are for stripped down gas engines...and some are for the dually and not the SRW which does not help.
I never thought this would be an issue when looking at new F350s until I looked at the door sticker and found that a truck that I thought from my research should have about a 3900 pound payload only had a 3200 pound payload. Big difference.
Again, it seems from what I have seen that the Ram in a similar configuration is over 4000 pounds as shown by door stickers, but I can't figure out why there would be such a huge difference.
To complicate matters, people on the ford forums tell me that Ford sells some of their trucks with a lower weight rating (despite no difference in teh truck) to certain states where the higher rated trucks are taxed as commercial vehicles. So the sticker weight may be "deflated"
Not sure why this has been such a difficult search. Just don't want to buy the wrong truck to safely pull the trailer i am looking at....and really don't want a dually since this will be my daily driver.
Matt
I have read about Ford deflating some of their trucks specs as well.... I have never verified it though.
It could be an internet myth. Something that starts out as speculation, and gets repeated enough times that many accept it as fact.
If it was my money and it was important to me.... I would do my homework before plunking down the money on such a truck.
You could look up part numbers for the different trucks on various parts. Several websites such as Rock auto Oriellys, even Ford could shed some light on it. Look at parts such as u joints, wheel bearings brake parts etc.
Not as easy as just posting the question on a forum.. But definently more reliable.
Don't think urban myth here is a link to the Keystone form, with a guy that bought a F350 SRW with a 10,500# GVWR.
Low GVWR F350
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I don't think they "deflate" them. You can buy and F350 SRW with anywhere from a 10,000 lbs GVWR to a 11,500 lbs GVWR depending on how you option them. Simply changing the wheel size can change the rating.
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Payload is a hard number to figure out. Payload can be different between two same model trucks sitting side by side. Payload is determined by the difference between GVWR and curb weight of the truck. Options of the truck will determine payload. Diesel vs gas engine has a big effect on payload due to the extra weight of a Diesel engine. Fuel tank size, etc. best way to find a good high payload is to look at the door stickers of tow vehicles that have the options you want and compare.
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troubledwaters wrote:I don't think they "deflate" them. You can buy and F350 SRW with anywhere from a 10,000 lbs GVWR to a 11,500 lbs GVWR depending on how you option them. Simply changing the wheel size can change the rating.
Clicky
Just one of the variables. But 20" tires give the highest payload ratings, followed by 18" tires, and lastly 17" tires for the lowest payload rating.
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agesilaus wrote:Remember that Ford has renamed it's 1 ton dually as the F-450. That may be the source of the difference.
Where did you get that info from? If you look they still list a f350drw for 2018.
https://www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?bodystyle=Truck&make=Ford&model=SuperDuty&year=2018
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rhagfo wrote:Huntindog wrote:bowler1 wrote:Hi,
I am the OP.
Thanks for all of the information. I do have some additional information to ad that I guess I forgot to put in the original post.
I am looking for a crew cab, 4x4, long bed in a Laramie, Lariat or LTZ configuration. This combination of features does lower the payload.
Agree with the poster above that says that it should be easy to figure out given only 3 truck makers, but so far that has not proven to be the case. There are a lot of variables and you really need to compare apples to apples. All the advertised weights are for stripped down gas engines...and some are for the dually and not the SRW which does not help.
I never thought this would be an issue when looking at new F350s until I looked at the door sticker and found that a truck that I thought from my research should have about a 3900 pound payload only had a 3200 pound payload. Big difference.
Again, it seems from what I have seen that the Ram in a similar configuration is over 4000 pounds as shown by door stickers, but I can't figure out why there would be such a huge difference.
To complicate matters, people on the ford forums tell me that Ford sells some of their trucks with a lower weight rating (despite no difference in teh truck) to certain states where the higher rated trucks are taxed as commercial vehicles. So the sticker weight may be "deflated"
Not sure why this has been such a difficult search. Just don't want to buy the wrong truck to safely pull the trailer i am looking at....and really don't want a dually since this will be my daily driver.
Matt
I have read about Ford deflating some of their trucks specs as well.... I have never verified it though.
It could be an internet myth. Something that starts out as speculation, and gets repeated enough times that many accept it as fact.
If it was my money and it was important to me.... I would do my homework before plunking down the money on such a truck.
You could look up part numbers for the different trucks on various parts. Several websites such as Rock auto Oriellys, even Ford could shed some light on it. Look at parts such as u joints, wheel bearings brake parts etc.
Not as easy as just posting the question on a forum.. But definently more reliable.
Don't think urban myth here is a link to the Keystone form, with a guy that bought a F350 SRW with a 10,500# GVWR.
Low GVWR F350
A 2018 F350 4x4 CC GVWR ranges from 10,000 - 11,500. The F350 has a completely different rear end and spring pack compared to a F250
A 2017 Ram 3500 4x4 GVWR ranges from 10,300 - 11,500. The 3500 has a different rear frame section and leaf pack from a 2500
A 2018 Chevy 3500 4x4 GVWR is 11,600
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Without knowing what a "heavy trailer" is in actual weight, we don't know if a 1/2 ton or a class 8 semi tractor is needed.
Just getting a sort-of-big truck is no guarantee of anything.
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troubledwaters wrote:I don't think they "deflate" them. You can buy and F350 SRW with anywhere from a 10,000 lbs GVWR to a 11,500 lbs GVWR depending on how you option them. Simply changing the wheel size can change the rating.
Clicky
Wheel size is an actual physical difference that limits your GVWR. I know Ford used to offer the F350 in different GVWR's simply to get around licensing and registration issues. The truck was the exact same, just with a lower GVWR to get around one issue or another. I'm not sure if that is still the case or not. I remember you used to be able to get a 9900 lbs GVWR truck simply to get under the 10,000 lbs GVWR limit at one point. Truck was physically the same... sticker was slightly different.
Not sure if they still do that, now that most F250's are rated up to 10,000 lbs.
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Fish, long box SRW cc 4x4 diesels in 2017 have 12,300 GVWR. SB IS 11,700.
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I did not mention the weight of the trailer because it's not really relevant in this case. The issue is one of pin weight vs payload. As I stated the dry pin weight is 2500 to 2800 pounds for what I am looking at. Trailer weight approx 14k
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