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ib516

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Posted: 03/05/17 07:36pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Looks like the RAM is getting an update. This was posted today...
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Posted: 03/05/17 08:52pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

At least 930 lb-ft? Meh... I am sitting at 950 lb-ft at the wheels in my 2014 CTD, and that is just the the light tow tune.


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ShinerBock wrote:

At least 930 lb-ft? Meh... I am sitting at 950 lb-ft at the wheels in my 2014 CTD, and that is just the the light tow tune.


Do you have the Aisan transmission? I've heard that they are having trouble tuning the Aisan trucks because it is on its own controller. I've heard it shifts funny with power added?


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Posted: 03/06/17 05:26am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

transamz9 wrote:



Do you have the Aisan transmission? I've heard that they are having trouble tuning the Aisan trucks because it is on its own controller. I've heard it shifts funny with power added?



No, I got a 68RFE and plan on getting a built Revmax or Suncoast when this one goes. From the looks of it I will be waiting a while. I have a good friend that has the same tunes as mine in his 2012 and his 68RFE is still going strong with almost 130k on the tune. We both don't drive like jackass teenagers going WOT all the time which is probably why we are not tearing it up. The tune also increases line pressure and alters shift points to ensure you are not lugging in higher gears.

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ShinerBock wrote:

transamz9 wrote:



Do you have the Aisan transmission? I've heard that they are having trouble tuning the Aisan trucks because it is on its own controller. I've heard it shifts funny with power added?



No, I got a 68RFE and plan on getting a built Revmax or Suncoast when this one goes. From the looks of it I will be waiting a while. I have a good friend that has the same tunes as mine in his 2012 and his 68RFE is still going strong with almost 130k on the tune. We both don't drive like jackass teenagers going WOT all the time which is probably why we are not tearing it up. The tune also increases line pressure and alters shift points to ensure you are not lugging in higher gears.


If you don't want to drive like a "jackass teenager" why did you tamper with your truck?


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Me Again wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

" All three brands do it with much heavier loads than your 5th wheel."

Correct, I think I was saying that. From my experience the VAST majority of Car Haulers are doing go with RAM trucks.

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Funny the stars aligned, I was on Hwy 111 in Cathedral City near PalmSpprings, CA traffic was stop n go and took it at just the right moment. If I want to tease the Ford guys I bring this pic out. [emoticon]


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Huntindog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

patriotgrunt wrote:

Lessmore wrote:

Chevies have always been known for outstanding power...all starting back in 1955 with the introduction of the legendary small block Chevy V8. Power and lots of it...has been a bow tie tradition in both gas and diesel engines over the years.

So no....not at all...nope.... I'm not surprised that Chevy came first and Ford was at the tail end.

Some say horse power is horsepower....but in my humble opinion horses are rated differently....there are Shetland horses (blue oval) and then there are Clydesdale's (bow tie). [emoticon]

All I can say...is it is a good thing that the Chevy was 'hobbled' with 3.73's to the Ford's 4.10's....or could you imagine what the Chevy times would of been.


Remind my again why these trucks are only pulling 22,800#s? [emoticon]
That 30K spec is not a realistic number for Rvers.
A 30K 5ver will have approx. 7500# pin weight.
None of the trucks are capable of that.


Lots of guys hauling big car trailers. So the upper numbers do apply just not to the masses. If they could pass the SAE test with 30K in tow they sure would have!

Heck my RV is borderline with the GM's.



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I just watched the video again..
I noticed that the RAMs payload is ONLY 5690#.
It could just barely handle the pin weight of your 5ver.... If you packed light and skipped lunch.
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You seem to know a lot (compliment intended). But thinking My above comment you quoted was "SNIDE" is not how I meant it!!!

This is the way it is on most any truck out there especially the Class 3 trucks. The 14K is just a number to keep the trucks in non commercial category. They take that number and subtract the actual curb weight from 14K that is where the 5,690# you quoted comes from. BTW I am well over that number! So the REALITY when hauling a gooseneck or 5er is the payload is what the rear axle can carry ready to tow up to it's RAWR plus a 100# or so that is added to the front axle. If my truck were to be sitting curb weight ONLY and the rear pin was loaded to the RAWR of 9,750# and add that to my empty 5,200# +- front axle weight I am OVER my GVWR by about 1,000#. MY "payload" that I have on my truck that puts me at my RAWR and a few hundred pounds under my FAWR is around 7,000#. Dry truck 8,500# loaded Cat scales truck 15,500#.

Now my 23K has around 25+ percent pin it has two axles. Triple axle DRV's are closer to 20 percent pin. So a triple axle 43' DRV could easily load out to 26K+ and still be within my axle and combined ratings. If you take the towing weights they are advertising those are with gooseneck trailers having 15 percent pin.

So yes IMHO if GM could post SAE towing numbers in the 30K plus arena they sure would.

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ib516 wrote:

Looks like the RAM is getting an update. This was posted today...
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As I have mentioned I took the Cummins Factory tour last summer and I had a high up engineer doing our tour because someone was sick. She told me they she was working on the 2019 6.7 at that time.

The engine will be free of any emissions, it will be all downstream. Cummins claims 10 percent increase in HP and 20 percent in TQ. That would be insane numbers!

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Posted: 03/06/17 09:08am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

transamz9 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

At least 930 lb-ft? Meh... I am sitting at 950 lb-ft at the wheels in my 2014 CTD, and that is just the the light tow tune.


Do you have the Aisan transmission? I've heard that they are having trouble tuning the Aisan trucks because it is on its own controller. I've heard it shifts funny with power added?


Here is possibly a major reason the GM Duramax and Allison does so well.

The Allison was designed with the Duramax and the controllers talk to each other. Also the GM engineers probably found with the Duramax and Allison combination the 3.73 gear gave the best performance for a wide variety of towing conditions including the Ike Gauntlet.

I did a spreadsheet comparison with a 4.1 vs 3.73 for the Duramax and the 3.73 would give the best results at 40 and 50 mph.

At 60mph the choice would be the 4.1.

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RCMAN46 wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

At least 930 lb-ft? Meh... I am sitting at 950 lb-ft at the wheels in my 2014 CTD, and that is just the the light tow tune.


Do you have the Aisan transmission? I've heard that they are having trouble tuning the Aisan trucks because it is on its own controller. I've heard it shifts funny with power added?


Here is possibly a major reason the GM Duramax and Allison does so well.

The Allison was designed with the Duramax and the controllers talk to each other. Also the GM engineers probably found with the Duramax and Allison combination the 3.73 gear gave the best performance for a wide variety of towing conditions including the Ike Gauntlet.

I did a spreadsheet comparison with a 4.1 vs 3.73 for the Duramax and the 3.73 would give the best results at 40 and 50 mph.

At 60mph the choice would be the 4.1.


Are you implying that the engineers designed to the test?


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