Broccoli1
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Bigtug,
The dealer SHOULD know better but most don't or just don't care. BUT I would definitely go back to the dealer and point out the fact that they sold you the wrong WD set up.
WW has nothing to do with you getting the wrong bars as the GVWR of 13,000 lbs is clearly advertised.
Your dealer is an idiot as they probably based the WD set up on the UVW Tongue weight and sold you that set up.
It is also OUR responsibility to know our Hitch and TVs weight ratings.
Now sit down as yer no gonna like these numbers:
15 % of 13,000 = 1,950 lbs and that is a number your tongue weight could actually be![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/eek.gif "eek")
Time for a new Hitch and WD- You are looking at a Tow Beast or similar
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Broccoli1
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Hate to bring more bad news but a 2002 Excursion's Towing is WAY under the weight of the FS3000
I have no idea of what is an acceptable weight difference for the weight Police but again yer dealer really has no clue.
V10 3:73 4x2 = 10,100lbs 4x4 = 9,600lbs
V10 4:30 4x2 = 10,500 4x4 = 11,000
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Step Child
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1bigtug wrote:I've received paperwork in the mail on the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT that is proceeding forward on the WW's Trailers - and the paperwork I received. It states "The Prophylactic Fix will be offered to all Settlement Class members who won FS 2600, FS 2800, FS300, and the Superlite models.
So after calling several numbers at WEEKEND WARRIOR in Perris - and talking to several people on trying to get our trailer in for this repair! and to discuss other concerns on the TRUE weight (tongue and trailer) weight! and the tires being rated at "D". The two individuals I spoke to did not have the answers and suggested I call and speak to a Jason Duncan (Service Manager @ Weekend Warrior in Perris, Calif). So - I placed a call and was able to speak to Jason regarding this lawsuit! and my unit/model (FS30) - I was informed that my unit was not one of the units covered! nor even consider for this repair or having this problem. The only units covered were 2000 & 2001 FS units - not sure on the lengths? 26, 28 or 30 - and the superlites.
So after talking to Jason for 1/2 or so - and trying to figure out repairs that might be needed? Front tongue flex - etc - I was left with a bad feeling. I see ALL OF THESE Warriors FS30's being towed by Ford Excursions on most all the trips I've taken since owning ours NEW (Jan 05) and have been told that our tow hitch - and receiver hitch are not rated for this trailer! WOW! Funny - the place we purchased ours from (Irvine, Calif) checked out our tow vehicle - connected it up - and said that we were good to go! trailing and all!
The setup we have - is rated for 12,500 lbs - with a tongue weight of 1200lbs - The load leveling bars are 1200lbs - apparently not good enough. Suggested that I go to either 1400 or 1700lb bars for towing! which would be a completely different setup -
towing setup. How is that! that the place we purchased this trailer from - who set it up! and NOW - WW is telling me a need a bigger hitch on the tow vehicle and a heavier towing set-up for the trailer! When I asked what it is that I need or should have to properly tow! I'm told that don't know - just something able to handle a heavier load! Any suggestions? Please
In the same boat, I have a 12000 lbs.hitch and wt. bars for 1200 lbs. Now have to buy a new hitch set up, new truck and 7 new tires (load "E"). Bought ours from Giant RV, they set up the truck and said everything was good to go. 32 FSC towing with a 2500 6.0 weighed the trailer 12200, with a hitch weight of 1680. I load a lot to the rear so I thought I would be ok on the hitch. Didn't know aloft when we bought but starting to figure some stuff out now.
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1bigtug
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Ok - Thanks for the feedback - The Excursion has had the following modifications done - Engine - V10 (Banks Power Pack= Headers, Transcommand, Air Intake, Ottomind "Performance Chip) - Add-a-leaf / Firestone Airbags with onboard compressor / 1 5/8" Sway Bar - 4" Lift. I carry 3 quads (2004 Honda 400EX, 2001 Honda 400EX / 2000 Banshee 350. No Water or fuel until we get close to our destination. Inside of the vehicle - (3 people - 2 adults and 1 child). I don't think I've ever gone over the 11,000lbs or 10,500 - the quads weigh around 375 ea.
I've towed with this WW 15 times - with the total mileage pulled behind my Excursion to be 5500 miles -
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Rineholio
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Just for info:
The Class V Tow-Beast hitch is rated for 1,200lbs. tongue weight without load carrying bars, with a max gross trailer weight of 12,000lbs.
With class V distribution bars, the hitch can hold a maximum of 1,700 lbs. with a max gross trailer weight of 14,000 lbs.
That means a maximum of 13% tongue weight at 13,000 gross on my FS3000 with the bars.
My trailer dry weight was understated by about 1,000 lbs. This information and new weight was sent to me by WW.
WW sold me an entirely different trailer than they advertised. My FS 3000 lacks sufficient strength to support its load even if I don't exceed max gross weight. It carries 1,000 lbs. less cargo than it is supposed to because it weighs 1,000 lbs. more dry than stated. Each axle is also rated for 4,333 lbs. according to the weight tag on my trailer, which makes them 1 lb. short of what the max gross of my trailer is.
How would you like that if it was an airplane?
I'm going to check with the class action suit guys to get the latest, but I don't think I can get anywhere close to what I deserve, and the resale on my trailer is shot. I haven't joined the suit yet.
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Rineholio
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One more thing:
I just looked under my trailer. The fresh water drain pipe rides on the front axle. As the axle moves up and down over bumps, it rubs the plastic tube. Mine is almost rubbed through. If I had been carrying water, and a hole developed, it would have all run out.
Last but not least, if your trailer is wired like mine, and you pull the emergency brake actuator, the wire will burn up within about 15 seconds. You won't be able to stick the spacer back into the emergency actuator because it will have melted long before that.
I found this out on a roadtrip when I lost my trailer brakes. I troubleshot down to the point where I had to know if it was the trailer or the controller.
I unhooked the emergency pin so the trailer brakes would activate, moved the truck forward, and felt the brakes on the trailer working. Before I could even turn off the truck, my father-in-law was yelling and cutting wires with dikes. The wiring was so hot the insulation was burning away and you could see how far it made it before he cut the wires.
Apparently, when the break-away switch is activated, full battery amperage is applied, the wiring fries, and you won't have brakes for very long. Not that I guess it would really matter if your trailer had seperated from your tow vehicle and was cruising down the road by itself.
That was $365 and the trailer repair shop shook their heads in disbelief that an emergency break-away switch was wired that way. The bill would have been far more if my father in law hadn't acted so quickly. This is another item I am bringing attention to the DOT/NTSB...
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Rineholio
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Oops on the NTSB. I used to investigate aircraft mishaps and it just came out.
I'm also stuck in the lawsuit, but have figured out other avenues to pursue.
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beemerphile1
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Rineholio wrote:One more thing...if your trailer is wired like mine, and you pull the emergency brake actuator, the wire will burn up within about 15 seconds...when the break-away switch is activated, full battery amperage is applied, the wiring fries...
Could you explain this more? Maybe start a new thread, since this thread is for class action suit issues. It sounds like you had a short circuit. Are you saying the braking system normally has some sort of resistor in line?
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jeffws
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beemerphile1 wrote:Rineholio wrote:One more thing...if your trailer is wired like mine, and you pull the emergency brake actuator, the wire will burn up within about 15 seconds...when the break-away switch is activated, full battery amperage is applied, the wiring fries...
Could you explain this more? Maybe start a new thread,
I just had this same problem - what was the fix??
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fuimus
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Hi everyone,
I recieved my letter regarding the class action, and then a week or so later I get a certified letter advising me to take my 2007 FS2500 to my dealer to have a stabalizer installed. I took the letter to the dealer who called to get the part and he was told that the part is being revised to call back in two weeks. Has anyone else experienced this? I am confused as to the difference between the stabalizer and the prophylatic fix.
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