Eric Hysteric
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Thanks Griff, in the side door step wells there are only adhesive residues, no rust. Against the rust i use phosphatic acid basic PELOX RE. For cleaning my favorits are brake cleaner, acetone or simply diesel fuel.
Against the heat problem with Edelbrock carburetors i found a spacer
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Ballenxj
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Griff in Fairbanks wrote:Everybody - please put your motorhome year, make, Dodge chassis model, engine, and so forth in your profile or signature block (or both). Signature block is better (see the signature block in my first post on any thread page).
Griff, I don't want to seem like an impostor. I don't have a Dodge class C, and never have. I found this discussion group while researching them with thoughts of buying one, liked the atmosphere here, and just hung out.
In the past I have owned a 73 Winnebago equipped with a 413. I loved that thing, but due to circumstances I won't discuss here, I no longer have it.
My next was an 83 Sportscoach with 454. Another good one gone.
I do currently have an 03 Dodge B2500. Does that count a little bit?
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Griff in Fairbanks
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Ballenxj wrote:Griff, I don't want to seem like an impostor You're not alone -- Leeann and I both have Class A motorhomes. And, far as I'm concerned, more than welcome. (I don't know if VintageMopar has a motorhome but he brings a lot of Mopar experience and knowledge to the thread.)
You're the only other person, besides me, that I know who has/had a 413. I've only driven mine once for less than 40 miles, so you bring additional experience to the thread. Likewise, the appliances and so forth in your '83 Sportscoach is a basis for potentially useful contributions.
Contrary to what some people believe, diversity is a good thing. My successes throughout my Air Force career, as well as prior to and after, was the direct result of listening to people with a wide range of knowledge, experience, perspectives, and opinions. On numerous occasions, I've received significantly valuable input from people apparently having little or no relevant knowledge or experience. (Whenever I was allowed to, I insisted on a 'novice' being added to teams I was part of or lead ... their role was to point out "the emperor has no clothes" situations.)
1970 Explorer Class A on a 1969 Dodge M300 chassis with 318 cu. in. (split year)
1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
1973 Explorer Class A on a Dodge RM350 (R4) chassis with 318 engine & tranny from 1970 Explorer Class A
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Griff in Fairbanks wrote:You're the only other person, besides me, that I know who has/had a 413.
Thanks Griff, I wish I never let that one go. Loved the 413, and you're right, there don't seem to be that many of them out there. I think they were kind of like an industrial engine that came mostly in trucks. Having said that, my older brother had one in a 68 or 69 Plymouth GTX. I suspect somebody put that in the car, but man, that thing was a runner! Technically, that means I've had some experience with two of them? ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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Eric Hysteric wrote:Against the heat problem with Edelbrock carburetors i found a spacer I like that spacer ... and thank you for posting the image. I now know exactly what I want, without spending a lot of time searching the Internet. (I'm thinking of sneaking a purchase past my wife, even though I'm not at the point where I need it right now.)
I looked at the limited English language information available on PELOX RE. Also, you apparently have prior success using it. Those of us in North America probably won't run across it, due to a little thing called the Atlantic Ocean, as well as other factors.
One question that came to mind, which you don't need to answer: Is it concentrate needing to be diluted or does it come ready to use? PPG DX579 is concentrated, so a little bit goes a long way. (I buy DX579 by the gallon due to the amount I use ... a quart would last most people decades.). Prior to switching to DX579, I went through dozens(!) of bottles of ready-to-use rust remover.
Using diesel fuel as a cleaning solvent works but presents problems. It leaves an oily/waxy residue so a degreaser/wax remover is necessary before painting or powder coating. There's also significant environmental issues, especially in terms of disposal. (The diesel residue acts, to a limited degree, as a corrosion inhibitor but there are far better products for this purpose.)
Instead of diesel fuel or kerosene, I use a foaming spray cleaner for heavy preliminary cleaning involving significant grease and oil. (I use Tuff Stuff but there's other suitable products.) I rely on hot water and dish soap because it removes dirt and most oily residue.
Decades ago, cleaning products included trisodium phosphate (TSP). That was largely discontinued because TSP in watershed runoff was creating environmental problems in lakes and rivers. In the limited cases where I use TSP, I'm very careful to make sure it doesn't get into surface runoff.
Denatured alcohol rinse is useful for removing moisture and water-soluble residue.
Acetone is part of a class of solvents requiring cautious use. In addition to health and environmental issues, these solvents can degrade many types of paint and plastic.
Most brake cleaners contain either acetone or tetrachloroethylene as the primary active ingredient. I lean towards chlorinated brake cleaner, containing tetrachloroethylene, especially in paint prep. Non-chlorinated brake cleaner contains some chemicals, in addition to acetone, that can leave a residue. That residue can compromise paint application and curing.
Pure acetone is arguable suitable for paint prep but degreasers/wax removers made specifically for paint prep are much better.
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Griff in Fairbanks
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Ballenxj wrote:Griff in Fairbanks wrote:You're the only other person, besides me, that I know who has/had a 413.
Thanks Griff, I wish I never let that one go. Loved the 413, and you're right, there don't seem to be that many of them out there. I think they were kind of like an industrial engine that came mostly in trucks. Having said that, my older brother had one in a 68 or 69 Plymouth GTX. I suspect somebody put that in the car, but man, that thing was a runner! Technically, that means I've had some experience with two of them? As I understand it. the 413 had a limited run between the 383 and 440. People have a tendency to think bigger numbers means better so the 440 became the main big block engine. (I love the 318 while most consumers seem to prefer the 360.)
Like the 383 and 440, the 413 was used in cars, trucks, and industrial applications. Just uncommon due to limited production and being eclipsed by the 440.
I've heard knowledgeable race car builders and drivers preferred the 413 over the 440. I know I'm impressed, based on bringing the '72 M375 home from where the shipper dropped it off. On a flat level stretch of CHSR, at 50 mph, I floored the accelerator. In spite of being long and heavy, the motorhome tried to lift the front wheels off the ground.
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Ballenxj wrote:Griff in Fairbanks wrote:Everybody - please put your motorhome year, make, Dodge chassis model, engine, and so forth in your profile or signature block (or both). Signature block is better (see the signature block in my first post on any thread page).
Griff, I don't want to seem like an impostor. I don't have a Dodge class C, and never have. I found this discussion group while researching them with thoughts of buying one, liked the atmosphere here, and just hung out.
In the past I have owned a 73 Winnebago equipped with a 413. I loved that thing, but due to circumstances I won't discuss here, I no longer have it.
My next was an 83 Sportscoach with 454. Another good one gone.
I do currently have an 03 Dodge B2500. Does that count a little bit?
Totally counts.
And you've owned older RVs and have plenty to add to the discussion, so it's all good.
Mine's a Class A with the 440-3, aka industrial version, but I would love to own a 413, which was only available as an industrial version...
'73 Concord 20' Class A w/Dodge 440 - see profile for photo
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Addendum to cleaning, rust removal, and paint prep comments -- I now rely heavily on electrolytic rust and paint removal. Much, much easier and very environmentally friendly.
I invariably try one of my electrolytic tanks before resorting to other techniques. Small tanks are easy to make and use. For larger items, it'd be worth looking for and paying someone who has a larger tank.
Case in point: A painted, mildly rusted bracket for a wall mount bathroom sink, salvaged out of an old building. Cleaned the bracket with dish soap and water, wired it up, put it in the tank, turned on the power supply, and walked way to do other things while leaving it overnight. The next day, pulled it out of the tank, wiped off the old paint with a paper towel, and rinsed it off with clear water. It's ready to be painted, although I'm going to do a bit more prep, just to be sure, before powder coating it. (Need to decide what color powder to use ... leaning towards cobalt blue.)
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Leeann wrote:Mine's a Class A with the 440-3, aka industrial version, but I would love to own a 413, which was only available as an industrial version... I'm not sure I'll ever get around to the Junior project. So, you might be able to talk me out of the 413 that's in Junior. (If so, and I get around to that project, I'd consider putting a Hemi in it.)
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Griff in Fairbanks wrote:Leeann wrote:Mine's a Class A with the 440-3, aka industrial version, but I would love to own a 413, which was only available as an industrial version... I'm not sure I'll ever get around to the Junior project. So, you might be able to talk me out of the 413 that's in Junior. (If so, and I get around to that project, I'd consider putting a Hemi in it.)
Yeah, but I'd have to get it from Alaska to Maryland...
I could be tempted, however, but my husband might kill me...
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