waynec1957
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This being my first diesel, I was concerned about the DEF and the regen as well. After 5 months, and 3,800 miles I'm sure it's went through the regeneration more than once but I've never noticed it. I haven't got to tow with it yet so maybe when I do that'll be different.
I check the DIC a couple times a week and so far it says the levels are ok. According to the manual it'll give a warning when you need to fill it within 1,000 miles and then again at 500 miles so I would think there should be plenty of warning.
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DEF, besides being available at most auto parts stores, is also available at the pump at many Pilot and Flying J stations (at least out here in the wild west). I'm up to about 3,000 miles on my rig and have gone through about 3-4 gallons of DEF. I certainly wouldn't hinge my decision to buy a rig based on the DEF requirement.
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waynec1957 wrote:This being my first diesel, I was concerned about the DEF and the regen as well. After 5 months, and 3,800 miles I'm sure it's went through the regeneration more than once but I've never noticed it. I haven't got to tow with it yet so maybe when I do that'll be different.
I check the DIC a couple times a week and so far it says the levels are ok. According to the manual it'll give a warning when you need to fill it within 1,000 miles and then again at 500 miles so I would think there should be plenty of warning.
This is how I feel as well. I was scared of diesel but not that I have one I don't know if you could get me to go back to gas.
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sacmarata
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SWAGGER wrote:not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.
Do you know if this includes paying for simple maintenance? I consider simple maintenance to be oil and filters.
At the rate that some places charge for diesel oil and filter change, it could quickly skew the Cost of Ownership numbers as compared to a gasser.
I've known some perfectly capable folks who pay for diesel oil changes instead of doing it themselves and heard reports of oil changes upwards of $250 simply because it's a diesel!
Without giving a thorough overview of the report, I bet the numbers reported could improve a lot more even.
$250 X 5 times a year = $1250. It wouldn't take long for that to do some SERIOUS damage to your cost of ownership. I'm not sure what an oil change station would charge for a 6+ liter gasser oil change, but I've never heard anything even close to $250.
I would also like to submit that not everybody has to have the newest diesel. Theres several "old technology" diesels out there that are WAAAY less costly to maintain. My '94 Cummins being one of them. I've never used any additives EVER and my oil changes only cost what I spend in oil ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
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I had my trailer out this weekend for the very first time with my diesel. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! In my gasser I really couldn't break 60mph. In the diesel, I cruised along comfortably at 65-70, without any real strain on the engine.
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waynec1957
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sacmarata wrote:SWAGGER wrote:not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.
Do you know if this includes paying for simple maintenance? I consider simple maintenance to be oil and filters.
At the rate that some places charge for diesel oil and filter change, it could quickly skew the Cost of Ownership numbers as compared to a gasser.
I've known some perfectly capable folks who pay for diesel oil changes instead of doing it themselves and heard reports of oil changes upwards of $250 simply because it's a diesel!
Without giving a thorough overview of the report, I bet the numbers reported could improve a lot more even.
$250 X 5 times a year = $1250. It wouldn't take long for that to do some SERIOUS damage to your cost of ownership. I'm not sure what an oil change station would charge for a 6+ liter gasser oil change, but I've never heard anything even close to $250.
I would also like to submit that not everybody has to have the newest diesel. Theres several "old technology" diesels out there that are WAAAY less costly to maintain. My '94 Cummins being one of them. I've never used any additives EVER and my oil changes only cost what I spend in oil
I've had my 2013 Duramax for six months. It had right at 5,200 miles on it when I had the oil changed last week at the dealership for $80.The DIC still said 30% on the oil life. I would have let it go a little longer but it was still OEM oil plus we're taking a 6 day trip next week. But...that's 5,200 miles without towing.
The week before I added 3.5 gal of DEF at $36. My fuel filter still reads 89% so I don't know what that will cost when the time comes. Probably next oil change. I don't see any way I'll have 5 oil changes in a year at 5k mile intervals. It may be less than that now that summer is finally here and we can hit the road some.
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sacmarata wrote:SWAGGER wrote:not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.
Do you know if this includes paying for simple maintenance? I consider simple maintenance to be oil and filters.
At the rate that some places charge for diesel oil and filter change, it could quickly skew the Cost of Ownership numbers as compared to a gasser.
I've known some perfectly capable folks who pay for diesel oil changes instead of doing it themselves and heard reports of oil changes upwards of $250 simply because it's a diesel!
Without giving a thorough overview of the report, I bet the numbers reported could improve a lot more even.
$250 X 5 times a year = $1250. It wouldn't take long for that to do some SERIOUS damage to your cost of ownership. I'm not sure what an oil change station would charge for a 6+ liter gasser oil change, but I've never heard anything even close to $250.
I would also like to submit that not everybody has to have the newest diesel. Theres several "old technology" diesels out there that are WAAAY less costly to maintain. My '94 Cummins being one of them. I've never used any additives EVER and my oil changes only cost what I spend in oil
Where are they going to get there oil changed? I'd like to know so that I never show up there. The most I've ever paid on an oil change was between $120-$140,...and that was the PMs on my medium duty Freightliners and my Motorhome that had a 15L Cat in it. My pickups, I pay $68 at Wally World for Rotella. If they wanna give money away, pm me for my address.
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I will preface by saying that I am a fan of diesels if I needed one or felt my gasser was not up to the task I give it.
I haven't read anyone comment on the DPF replacement on DPF equipped diesels. They say they need to be replaced around the 100K mile mark at a cost of $2000+. Have an injector go bad? It too might destroy your DPF as well. Just to be fair, lets add this to the cost of owning certain vintages of diesels.
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In my opinion the old 12 valve Cummins are darn near bulletproof. I've had other trucks come and go but my '94 Dodge Cummins keeps chuggin along with ZERO mechanical errors at 324,000 miles. I did break a fuel filter once when setting my idle. Fixed it for free with a zip tie
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sacmarata wrote:In my opinion the old 12 valve Cummins are darn near bulletproof. I've had other trucks come and go but my '94 Dodge Cummins keeps chuggin along with ZERO mechanical errors at 324,000 miles. I did break a fuel filter once when setting my idle. Fixed it for free with a zip tie
I'm a little confused. Why do you buy other trucks when you already have the 12V Cummins that seems to be perfect for you?
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