Hannibal
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Toyota says Prii. Latin experts say Preora. I've passed many diesel pickups clogging up traffic towing their wares. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
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SWAGGER
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not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.
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parkersdad
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SWAGGER wrote:not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.
That was a 2011 survey. Things have changed since then. My RAM is now urea-based instead of filter-based. They have gained lots of miles per gallon. I get 16 to 17 in town now and 22 to 23 on the highway. Thanks for the info though that was a nice read
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SWAGGER wrote:not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.
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Very interesting given the fact that was the teething years for diesels heaver pollution controls.
So with diesel you get both cost savings and more power even with higher cost of fuel.
Lets not forget we are ending a heavy heating season and in my area diesel held steady at about $3.90, gas got as low as about $2.29. Now Diesel is still steady at $3.90, and gas is at $3.66 a gallon.
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It looks to me like the GM twins averaged 2000 less to own over 5 years, the ram diesel cost 578 MORE and the ford cost 763 MORE.
I don't see where that article shows that any diesel pickup truck had a dramatically lower cost to own. It also shows the same amount of fees and taxes per vehicle and at least in my state between sales tax and personal property tax the diesel truck would cost substantially more in taxes.
Also keep in mind that the study was prepared for (paid for by) bosch the same company that makes that fragile, craps out to the tune of 10k because of a drop of water fuel pump that causes so much grief. How much faith would you have in a study about the health effects of smoking sponsored by phillip morris.
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Taco wrote:It looks to me like the GM twins averaged 2000 less to own over 5 years, the ram diesel cost 578 MORE and the ford cost 763 MORE.
I don't see where that article shows that any diesel pickup truck had a dramatically lower cost to own. It also shows the same amount of fees and taxes per vehicle and at least in my state between sales tax and personal property tax the diesel truck would cost substantially more in taxes.
Also keep in mind that the study was prepared for (paid for by) bosch the same company that makes that fragile, craps out to the tune of 10k because of a drop of water fuel pump that causes so much grief. How much faith would you have in a study about the health effects of smoking sponsored by phillip morris.
I saw a study on caffeine as a diuretic, sponsored by the coffee industry.
It's tough to find a good impartial study as there usually isn't any money in it. There is money in a study that someone is sponsoring and not shy about telling you what they want you to find.
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Could someone comment on all the DEF & "regen" problems I read about in the diesel forums. it doesn't seem it's GM only. Ram & Ford owners are complaining also about "regen" & associated low power & the keeping DEF fluids at the right levels to prevent more "low power" problems. My `03 Duramax doesn't have these. I'd love a 2015 Duramax, but this new stuff is scaring me off. Thnx in advance
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transamz9
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Other than a hot smell for a few minutes I never even know it's in regen. I can only smell it when sitting still while it's doing it. As far as the DEF. I don't understand why people want to run it so low that it goes into limp mode. It's not like you have to fill it every day. Mine got to 3/8 tank and I just picked up a jug and poured it in. It shows full again.
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Hannibal
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transamz9 wrote:Other than a hot smell for a few minutes I never even know it's in regen. I can only smell it when sitting still while it's doing it. As far as the DEF. I don't understand why people want to run it so low that it goes into limp mode. It's not like you have to fill it every day. Mine got to 3/8 tank and I just picked up a jug and poured it in. It shows full again.
I agree. It appears to be readily available in auto parts stores now. No reason to let it get low.
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parkersdad
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I only use the stuff in the auto parts store. It comes with a long hose and the 2 1/2 gallons you get will give me about three quarters of a tank.
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