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sacmarata

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In my opinion the old 12 valve Cummins are darn near bulletproof. I've had other trucks come and go but my '94 Dodge Cummins keeps chuggin along with ZERO mechanical errors at 324,000 miles. I did break a fuel filter once when setting my idle. Fixed it for free with a zip tie [emoticon]


I'm a little confused. Why do you buy other trucks when you already have the 12V Cummins that seems to be perfect for you?


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I haven't heard of anyone neededing a new DPF on a Ford 6.7 on the forums and plenty of guys over 100K.

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gsxr1300 wrote:

I haven't heard of anyone neededing a new DPF on a Ford 6.7 on the forums and plenty of guys over 100K.


Perhaps but they do not last the life of the vehicle. They will need to be replaced as they do become clogged or the casing cracks.


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sacmarata wrote:

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sacmarata wrote:

In my opinion the old 12 valve Cummins are darn near bulletproof. I've had other trucks come and go but my '94 Dodge Cummins keeps chuggin along with ZERO mechanical errors at 324,000 miles. I did break a fuel filter once when setting my idle. Fixed it for free with a zip tie [emoticon]


I'm a little confused. Why do you buy other trucks when you already have the 12V Cummins that seems to be perfect for you?


its a single cab [emoticon]


I hear ya, Hated to get rid of my '92 F-150. But the boys had outgrown the extended cab's back seat. 233,000 miles out of the 5.0L V-8 and E4OD. It was a gutless wonder that ran like a Timex.


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spud1957 wrote:

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I haven't heard of anyone neededing a new DPF on a Ford 6.7 on the forums and plenty of guys over 100K.


Perhaps but they do not last the life of the vehicle. They will need to be replaced as they do become clogged or the casing cracks.


We have replaced three out of eight on semi tractors (2010 IH, Maxxforce 11) at work, and one box truck (2008 Freightliner, Cummins 6.7) had one done recently. At least for us, 120K seems to be the magic number.


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He is right my local Ford dealer sent me a coupon for a $200 oil change recently. I have just changed my own oil and filter for the first time in 25+ years because I just couldn't see myself giving Ford or any shop that kind of money. I have to admit I did pay them once for a oil change and fuel filter changed when I first bought it but once I took the truck to High Velocity Diesel Performance for the work in the sig the owners wife was able to point out that my oil filter cap was non OEM and low and behold the filter was non OEM also. Lesson learned not all dealers follow their own manufacturer recommendations lol! When I got my truck out of their shop I took the CarQuest filter and cap back to Ford and got a FULL refund. So for me for $100 I get 4 gallons of Rotella T6 synthetic ($84) and a $20 oil filter and about 20 minutes of my time.

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not sure this this been posted but is a recent study from 2013

http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf


Overall, the results of our analyses show that diesel vehicles provide owners with a TCO that is less than that of the gas versions of the same vehicles. The estimates of savings for three and five years of ownership vary from a low of $67 in three years to a high of $15,619 in five years, but most of the savings are in the $2,000 to $6,000 range, which also include the extra cost that is usually added to the diesel version of a vehicle.


Do you know if this includes paying for simple maintenance? I consider simple maintenance to be oil and filters.
At the rate that some places charge for diesel oil and filter change, it could quickly skew the Cost of Ownership numbers as compared to a gasser.

I've known some perfectly capable folks who pay for diesel oil changes instead of doing it themselves and heard reports of oil changes upwards of $250 simply because it's a diesel!

Without giving a thorough overview of the report, I bet the numbers reported could improve a lot more even.

$250 X 5 times a year = $1250. It wouldn't take long for that to do some SERIOUS damage to your cost of ownership. I'm not sure what an oil change station would charge for a 6+ liter gasser oil change, but I've never heard anything even close to $250.

I would also like to submit that not everybody has to have the newest diesel. Theres several "old technology" diesels out there that are WAAAY less costly to maintain. My '94 Cummins being one of them. I've never used any additives EVER and my oil changes only cost what I spend in oil [emoticon]


Where are they going to get there oil changed? I'd like to know so that I never show up there. The most I've ever paid on an oil change was between $120-$140,...and that was the PMs on my medium duty Freightliners and my Motorhome that had a 15L Cat in it. My pickups, I pay $68 at Wally World for Rotella. If they wanna give money away, pm me for my address.



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6.2l F250 at Ford $40 something. [emoticon]
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Jarlaxle wrote:

spud1957 wrote:

gsxr1300 wrote:

I haven't heard of anyone neededing a new DPF on a Ford 6.7 on the forums and plenty of guys over 100K.


Perhaps but they do not last the life of the vehicle. They will need to be replaced as they do become clogged or the casing cracks.


We have replaced three out of eight on semi tractors (2010 IH, Maxxforce 11) at work, and one box truck (2008 Freightliner, Cummins 6.7) had one done recently. At least for us, 120K seems to be the magic number.


Ouch, that is certainly not good news.


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06 dmax... Other than wear parts...no engine or trans issues whatsoever...close to 260,000miles

And I am continually amazed that this thread is still ongoing...LOL My Grandkids (whenever that happens), will likely read this sometime in their RV'ing life.

Just a note though:

MT truck at 8120 lbs (full Titan and full 30 gal slip), with EFI tuning:
21.3 mpg with me n the dog in the vehicle @ 124km/hr

Pulling the Chaparal, with full load of water and the wife added...
13.8 mpg @ 113km/hr Relatively flat roads...we shall see what happens this usmmer going to BC. But at this stage am quite pleased with mileage and performance since I dumped the Banks 6Gun PDA unit.

RPM Sweet spot for towing/and empty: ~1950 Rpm.

265/70R17's hit the pavement.


ya gotta love it.


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OhhWell wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

spud1957 wrote:

gsxr1300 wrote:

I haven't heard of anyone neededing a new DPF on a Ford 6.7 on the forums and plenty of guys over 100K.


Perhaps but they do not last the life of the vehicle. They will need to be replaced as they do become clogged or the casing cracks.


We have replaced three out of eight on semi tractors (2010 IH, Maxxforce 11) at work, and one box truck (2008 Freightliner, Cummins 6.7) had one done recently. At least for us, 120K seems to be the magic number.


Ouch, that is certainly not good news.


No kidding. At any given time, we have from one to eight trucks with warning lights on!

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