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Gotta stretch it a little so it looks impressive!
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Wow, this thread is close to hitting the 10 YEAR mark!
Just wanted to say that...
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transamz9 wrote:rowekmr wrote:Well after owning a few older gassers for towing my TT in sig I finally went "diesel". My previous TV's were 2 V10's, 3 7.4L's and a 5.4L (32v). The first one an Excursion V10 (80K and 4.30 gear) I put the most miles in and $$$ making sure it was in tip top shape. I drove from IL to FL and back a few times with no problems except the soft trans shift and it would sometimes kick out of OD under slight load needlessly. I was able to hold 67+ mph in OD most of the way to FL except in the Chattanooga mountains where it went down to 2nd gear to hold 50 mph. It ran pretty trouble free just needing a few COP's and standard maintenance. The 7.4L's were cheaper trucks (2 Burbs, 1 3500 CC DRW) I bought to pull locally on flatlands. They had more low end torque but lacked the upper end like the V10, their only problem were the hot start issues (bad OEM inj design) that I never addressed. The 5.4L (32v) was an attempt to have a DD and TV in one vehicle (Navigator) but the suspension wasn't up to the task for heavy towing. Looking to go diesel I originally considered the 6.5L but they are harder to find in good condition and their asking prices were close to what I can get a high mile 7.3L's for. While looking for a 7.3L CC or Ex I stumbled unto a 6.0L that I couldn't pass up. After fixing some common issues and replacing worn/bad parts and few slight upgrades I'm just now enjoying trouble free driving. This engine is more sensitive to maintenance than the gassers I had and an engine monitor is essential for this engine. Whereas the 6.8L could get an avg of 8 mpg towing and 16 mpg empty this 6.0L can get 23 mpg empty and 12 towing the same trailer at the same speed. This comes with using fuel additives, cold weather warm up, plugging up, turbo cool down time, maintenance cost, fuel availability, smell/noise, etc. My TT is around 9K loaded if it was 8K or less I would probably stick with a gasser that I could use as a DD but if I towed heavier and/or more miles I can say I would stay definitely diesel.
You bought one of the worst diesels ever made to compare to the gassers.
Well the 6.0 is a strong puller, and the ones that don't self destruct can be good. The are HIGH MAINTENANCE and the maintenance items are costly.
To me is sounds like Rowekmr went into this with his eyes open and knew the 6.0 could be troublesome, and took steps to prevent issues.
I will still take my Cummins, but to each their own.
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rhagfo wrote:transamz9 wrote:rowekmr wrote:Well after owning a few older gassers for towing my TT in sig I finally went "diesel". My previous TV's were 2 V10's, 3 7.4L's and a 5.4L (32v). The first one an Excursion V10 (80K and 4.30 gear) I put the most miles in and $$$ making sure it was in tip top shape. I drove from IL to FL and back a few times with no problems except the soft trans shift and it would sometimes kick out of OD under slight load needlessly. I was able to hold 67+ mph in OD most of the way to FL except in the Chattanooga mountains where it went down to 2nd gear to hold 50 mph. It ran pretty trouble free just needing a few COP's and standard maintenance. The 7.4L's were cheaper trucks (2 Burbs, 1 3500 CC DRW) I bought to pull locally on flatlands. They had more low end torque but lacked the upper end like the V10, their only problem were the hot start issues (bad OEM inj design) that I never addressed. The 5.4L (32v) was an attempt to have a DD and TV in one vehicle (Navigator) but the suspension wasn't up to the task for heavy towing. Looking to go diesel I originally considered the 6.5L but they are harder to find in good condition and their asking prices were close to what I can get a high mile 7.3L's for. While looking for a 7.3L CC or Ex I stumbled unto a 6.0L that I couldn't pass up. After fixing some common issues and replacing worn/bad parts and few slight upgrades I'm just now enjoying trouble free driving. This engine is more sensitive to maintenance than the gassers I had and an engine monitor is essential for this engine. Whereas the 6.8L could get an avg of 8 mpg towing and 16 mpg empty this 6.0L can get 23 mpg empty and 12 towing the same trailer at the same speed. This comes with using fuel additives, cold weather warm up, plugging up, turbo cool down time, maintenance cost, fuel availability, smell/noise, etc. My TT is around 9K loaded if it was 8K or less I would probably stick with a gasser that I could use as a DD but if I towed heavier and/or more miles I can say I would stay definitely diesel.
You bought one of the worst diesels ever made to compare to the gassers.
Well the 6.0 is a strong puller, and the ones that don't self destruct can be good. The are HIGH MAINTENANCE and the maintenance items are costly.
To me is sounds like Rowekmr went into this with his eyes open and knew the 6.0 could be troublesome, and took steps to prevent issues.
I will still take my Cummins, but to each their own.
Yes it is a great engine and pulls great. It is a high maintenance engine as you say but it also loves to rev like a gas motor, one of the main reasons I love towing with an oil burner.
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Wow if the worst diesel (ever made) makes an almost 50% increase in mpg's then I can't wait for you to suggest the one that gets much better mpg's than that. That was my main consideration next to price of truck in switching.
transamz9 wrote:rowekmr wrote:Well after owning a few older gassers for towing my TT in sig I finally went "diesel". My previous TV's were 2 V10's, 3 7.4L's and a 5.4L (32v). The first one an Excursion V10 (80K and 4.30 gear) I put the most miles in and $$$ making sure it was in tip top shape. I drove from IL to FL and back a few times with no problems except the soft trans shift and it would sometimes kick out of OD under slight load needlessly. I was able to hold 67+ mph in OD most of the way to FL except in the Chattanooga mountains where it went down to 2nd gear to hold 50 mph. It ran pretty trouble free just needing a few COP's and standard maintenance. The 7.4L's were cheaper trucks (2 Burbs, 1 3500 CC DRW) I bought to pull locally on flatlands. They had more low end torque but lacked the upper end like the V10, their only problem were the hot start issues (bad OEM inj design) that I never addressed. The 5.4L (32v) was an attempt to have a DD and TV in one vehicle (Navigator) but the suspension wasn't up to the task for heavy towing. Looking to go diesel I originally considered the 6.5L but they are harder to find in good condition and their asking prices were close to what I can get a high mile 7.3L's for. While looking for a 7.3L CC or Ex I stumbled unto a 6.0L that I couldn't pass up. After fixing some common issues and replacing worn/bad parts and few slight upgrades I'm just now enjoying trouble free driving. This engine is more sensitive to maintenance than the gassers I had and an engine monitor is essential for this engine. Whereas the 6.8L could get an avg of 8 mpg towing and 16 mpg empty this 6.0L can get 23 mpg empty and 12 towing the same trailer at the same speed. This comes with using fuel additives, cold weather warm up, plugging up, turbo cool down time, maintenance cost, fuel availability, smell/noise, etc. My TT is around 9K loaded if it was 8K or less I would probably stick with a gasser that I could use as a DD but if I towed heavier and/or more miles I can say I would stay definitely diesel.
You bought one of the worst diesels ever made to compare to the gassers.
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I have pulled with both. Hands down diesel wins my vote. Stinky, noisy, can't get much better than that.
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rowekmr wrote:Wow if the worst diesel (ever made) makes an almost 50% increase in mpg's then I can't wait for you to suggest the one that gets much better mpg's than that. That was my main consideration next to price of truck in switching.
transamz9 wrote:rowekmr wrote:Well after owning a few older gassers for towing my TT in sig I finally went "diesel". My previous TV's were 2 V10's, 3 7.4L's and a 5.4L (32v). The first one an Excursion V10 (80K and 4.30 gear) I put the most miles in and $$$ making sure it was in tip top shape. I drove from IL to FL and back a few times with no problems except the soft trans shift and it would sometimes kick out of OD under slight load needlessly. I was able to hold 67+ mph in OD most of the way to FL except in the Chattanooga mountains where it went down to 2nd gear to hold 50 mph. It ran pretty trouble free just needing a few COP's and standard maintenance. The 7.4L's were cheaper trucks (2 Burbs, 1 3500 CC DRW) I bought to pull locally on flatlands. They had more low end torque but lacked the upper end like the V10, their only problem were the hot start issues (bad OEM inj design) that I never addressed. The 5.4L (32v) was an attempt to have a DD and TV in one vehicle (Navigator) but the suspension wasn't up to the task for heavy towing. Looking to go diesel I originally considered the 6.5L but they are harder to find in good condition and their asking prices were close to what I can get a high mile 7.3L's for. While looking for a 7.3L CC or Ex I stumbled unto a 6.0L that I couldn't pass up. After fixing some common issues and replacing worn/bad parts and few slight upgrades I'm just now enjoying trouble free driving. This engine is more sensitive to maintenance than the gassers I had and an engine monitor is essential for this engine. Whereas the 6.8L could get an avg of 8 mpg towing and 16 mpg empty this 6.0L can get 23 mpg empty and 12 towing the same trailer at the same speed. This comes with using fuel additives, cold weather warm up, plugging up, turbo cool down time, maintenance cost, fuel availability, smell/noise, etc. My TT is around 9K loaded if it was 8K or less I would probably stick with a gasser that I could use as a DD but if I towed heavier and/or more miles I can say I would stay definitely diesel.
You bought one of the worst diesels ever made to compare to the gassers.
I think he just meant on the reliability / cost of maintenance side.
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A diesel tech on another forum says as long as you don't tune a 6.0 and take care of it, it's a good engine.
If you put in studs and a few other things he says they're great.
He also says the Fords and Chevys are what keeps money in his pocket as he doesn't see many Cummins...
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Why get 3 or 4 hundred thousand miles on diesel engines and lost the trans at 2 hundred thousand miles on all model's, sometimes $15,000 to fix.
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