Hannibal
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transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:You guys are forgetting that the diesel engines are making the same HP as the gas motors. Just don't have to turn 5500 RPM's to get it. Are you going to tell me that you feel comfy holding 5-5500 rpm's for 4-5 miles at a time?
Now you're starting to catch on. With the 345hp Hemi Ram in stock form, it needed to turn 4200rpm to produce 300hp. My '03 SO Cummins powered duplicate... wasn't capable of 300hp in stock form. So at a casual 4200rpm growl, the '05 Hemi would out tow the '03 SO Cummins in stock form without the shrill of 5500rpm. That's just my experience. The newer diesels will walk away from my 5.4L F250 towing anything. But at the cost of $8k and much higher potential for troubles. I'll gladly take the slow lane. Others are free to disagree.
Curious Hannibal, what did you pay for your '05 hemi new?
Listed for $33,580. I got it for $27,900.
So I only paid $3,000 more for my Diesel? Do you think your truck will out tow an '05 Cummins in stock form?
So the diesel didn't bring a premium price? That's odd. You can buy them cheap but sell them high? How's that possible?
Probably not. What are the '05 HO Cummins Rams rated for, 325hp? With my choice 3.73, 2nd gear was 4200rpm at 60mph. That was 300~hp. There was no lower gear available at 60mph. The Cummins with 3.73 in direct at 60 would be closer to it's 325hp 2900rpm if that's what it makes. At higher altitudes, the NA Hemi will start losing horsepower.
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Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:You guys are forgetting that the diesel engines are making the same HP as the gas motors. Just don't have to turn 5500 RPM's to get it. Are you going to tell me that you feel comfy holding 5-5500 rpm's for 4-5 miles at a time?
Now you're starting to catch on. With the 345hp Hemi Ram in stock form, it needed to turn 4200rpm to produce 300hp. My '03 SO Cummins powered duplicate... wasn't capable of 300hp in stock form. So at a casual 4200rpm growl, the '05 Hemi would out tow the '03 SO Cummins in stock form without the shrill of 5500rpm. That's just my experience. The newer diesels will walk away from my 5.4L F250 towing anything. But at the cost of $8k and much higher potential for troubles. I'll gladly take the slow lane. Others are free to disagree.
Curious Hannibal, what did you pay for your '05 hemi new?
Listed for $33,580. I got it for $27,900.
So I only paid $3,000 more for my Diesel? Do you think your truck will out tow an '05 Cummins in stock form?
So the diesel didn't bring a premium price? That's odd. You can buy them cheap but sell them high? How's that possible?
Probably not. What are the '05 HO Cummins Rams rated for, 325hp? With my choice 3.73, 2nd gear was 4200rpm at 60mph. That was 300~hp. There was no lower gear available at 60mph. The Cummins with 3.73 in direct at 60 would be closer to it's 325hp 2900rpm if that's what it makes. At higher altitudes, the NA Hemi will start losing horsepower.
The same truck now as mine now will cost $45,000+. Here's what they are going for 100 miles from my area. Note the first few are gas and the others are diesel except the last couple but we won't use those prices.Used '05 Rams
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64thunderbolt wrote:I think I'm out of here. It's obvious that these gasser owners don't know what long hard pulls really are. Most probably live east of the Rockies and have never been on a real mtn. Not to many back there. On paper the hp thing looks good but the heavy rotating mass of the diesel will keep it going when the gasser is gasping. I pass them all the time on the 6%+ pulls doing 35/40 and struggling to keep that. OR they pull small light weight trailers or both. I know what works in the real world. Ya'll have a good one.
I don't have anything against gassers or any of you guys. I enjoyed it a lot. But you couldn't tow my trailer any place I go.
I agree with thunderbolt. He's a good friend if mine and I know where we tow. I pass Chevys with the big 8.1 with half the trailer. And I know they're trying to pass me, the look on their Faces. So say what you want about diesels. I barley stared putting money In my truck after 200k. Till then it was tires, oil, and filters. My family had the V10, okay puller, but nowhere near a diesel, sorry just not going to happen.
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'68Monaco440HP wrote:I pass them all the time on the 6%+ pulls doing 35/40 and struggling to keep that.
And the problem with this is . . . . ? (that it isn't a problem).
Buying a tow vehicle to maintain a higher speed on a few grades annually would be more than near to stupid given the 99.9% of all other miles traveled (and loads) the rest of the year where it's performance is more than adequate. Lower purchase price and lower operating expenses for all miles travelled is the intelligent manner in spec'ng a vehicle, commercial or private.
Only the sheeple are afraid of reasonable ascent speeds. The downgrade is the single concern.
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One last post. Had to respond to this one. You stated my point. 99% of my towing IS on the steep (6+%) grades not cross country like the majority of you guys. I stay in Az mostly and it's 1200' where I live and 6/8000' where I camp. I'm always pulling hard. Adios amigos
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transamz9 wrote:
The same truck now as mine now will cost $45,000+. Here's what they are going for 100 miles from my area. Note the first few are gas and the others are diesel except the last couple but we won't use those prices. Used '05 Rams
Never mind options, leather, GPS etc. eh? Why should I care what others are asking for their truck. If they're lucky, someone will pay it. I'm happy with my truck and every truck I've owned and the deals I got buying and trading. Why are you so intent on making me feel like I made the wrong choice and got a lousy deal? It's not going to happen. Let it go and mind your own business. I'm happy with my choice. If you need to justify yours, maybe you made the wrong choice.
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Since when is a 6% grade steep? then vs what? it is for an interstate, local county and city roads are not limited to 6 with a max for short periods of 8% as interstates are. When you hit 20-25% grades like some city blocks are in Seattle, call me, I'll tell you what steep is, we are also talking sea level! The steepest roads at elevation ie 9500' I have been on and seen are in Yellowstone, those where what I would call middle of the road at 15%!
Along with, how well would my 92 navistar with a 7.3 do at elevation?
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Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:
The same truck now as mine now will cost $45,000+. Here's what they are going for 100 miles from my area. Note the first few are gas and the others are diesel except the last couple but we won't use those prices. Used '05 Rams
Never mind options, leather, GPS etc. eh? Why should I care what others are asking for their truck. If they're lucky, someone will pay it. I'm happy with my truck and every truck I've owned and the deals I got buying and trading. Why are you so intent on making me feel like I made the wrong choice and got a lousy deal? It's not going to happen. Let it go and mind your own business. I'm happy with my choice. If you need to justify yours, maybe you made the wrong choice.
No , no you are taking it the wrong way. I'm not downing you or your truck. I am glad you are happy with yours as I am with mine. We are just two people discussing gas verses diesel. You make good points and I am just countering. You were comparing two different year trucks and I thought that was unfair you trying to make your point that way. The only reason I did the cost thing was for the people (not you) that are trying to say that a diesel truck is 8,000 more than a gas. If you shop around there are good deals. The cost of owning the two different trucks is pretty much a wash if you do regular maintenance as said in the OM. An '05 Hemi 3/4 has the same wheels,tires,and drivetrain parts as mine so no cost savings there.
Again Hannibal, I am by no means trying to down you or your truck. Hell , you have the best truck on the road, A RAM! Just debating the gas verses diesel thing. Sorry it came across that way.
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Ok I gotcha. However, a 2003 Hemi powered 2500HD is identical to a 2005HD Hemi powered Ram except for the 5-45RFE programming. Same 345hp. On the $8000 difference, it depends on the argument. My experience has been, since diesels are almost exclusively the desired engine in a HD pickup, you can negotiate far more off of MSRP of a gasser than a comparable diesel powered HD pickup. The spread is actually "more" than the cost of the diesel option. Then the bragging point of used trucks is as much as $10k difference in used retail.
No hard feelings. I thought you were busting my O's about owning a gasser HD. And my apologies. I traded the Ram for an F250 almost three years ago. But yes, the Ram is a very good pickup truck gas or diesel. And the Cummins is without a doubt the best engine ever offered in a pickup truck even if it's not always the fastest. The 5.4L is almost like an electric motor. Smooth and quiet.
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I recall the diesel rams do not use the 5-45RFE...they use the 48RE.
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That's right John. The 2003 and up Hemi powered Rams use the 5-45RFE. My 2003 SO Cummins Ram had a 47RE. The HO had a 48RE. Don't know where otherwise might have been implied.
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