transamz9
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Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:You guys are forgetting that the diesel engines are making the same HP as the gas motors. Just don't have to turn 5500 RPM's to get it. Are you going to tell me that you feel comfy holding 5-5500 rpm's for 4-5 miles at a time?
Now you're starting to catch on. With the 345hp Hemi Ram in stock form, it needed to turn 4200rpm to produce 300hp. My '03 SO Cummins powered duplicate... wasn't capable of 300hp in stock form. So at a casual 4200rpm growl, the '05 Hemi would out tow the '03 SO Cummins in stock form without the shrill of 5500rpm. That's just my experience. The newer diesels will walk away from my 5.4L F250 towing anything. But at the cost of $8k and much higher potential for troubles. I'll gladly take the slow lane. Others are free to disagree.
Curious Hannibal, what did you pay for your '05 hemi new?
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transamz9
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Jarlaxle wrote:transamz9 wrote:You guys are forgetting that the diesel engines are making the same HP as the gas motors. Just don't have to turn 5500 RPM's to get it. Are you going to tell me that you feel comfy holding 5-5500 rpm's for 4-5 miles at a time?
If required...sure. Won't hurt anything.
I guarantee it would be required on the 850 mile round trip I just came back from and you still wouldn't have kept me in site.I wasn't running no race but keeping my pace![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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I think I'm out of here. It's obvious that these gasser owners don't know what long hard pulls really are. Most probably live east of the Rockies and have never been on a real mtn. Not to many back there. On paper the hp thing looks good but the heavy rotating mass of the diesel will keep it going when the gasser is gasping. I pass them all the time on the 6%+ pulls doing 35/40 and struggling to keep that. OR they pull small light weight trailers or both. I know what works in the real world. Ya'll have a good one.
I don't have anything against gassers or any of you guys. I enjoyed it a lot. But you couldn't tow my trailer any place I go.
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Chalk up another win for the diesel and move on down the road with a smile on your face. That's what it's about.
If a vehicle was equipped with a 300hp prime mover and you were insulated from sensory input like noise, tach, throttle position, etc., my guess is you wouldn't be able to tell if it was diesel, gas, steam, or electricity pulling you up the hill.
When you plug the coffee pot in, does it brew faster if the power was generated by diesel rather than gasoline or hydroelectric?
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transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:You guys are forgetting that the diesel engines are making the same HP as the gas motors. Just don't have to turn 5500 RPM's to get it. Are you going to tell me that you feel comfy holding 5-5500 rpm's for 4-5 miles at a time?
Now you're starting to catch on. With the 345hp Hemi Ram in stock form, it needed to turn 4200rpm to produce 300hp. My '03 SO Cummins powered duplicate... wasn't capable of 300hp in stock form. So at a casual 4200rpm growl, the '05 Hemi would out tow the '03 SO Cummins in stock form without the shrill of 5500rpm. That's just my experience. The newer diesels will walk away from my 5.4L F250 towing anything. But at the cost of $8k and much higher potential for troubles. I'll gladly take the slow lane. Others are free to disagree.
Curious Hannibal, what did you pay for your '05 hemi new?
Listed for $33,580. I got it for $27,900.
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64thunderbolt wrote:I think I'm out of here. It's obvious that these gasser owners don't know what long hard pulls really are. Most probably live east of the Rockies and have never been on a real mtn. Not to many back there. On paper the hp thing looks good but the heavy rotating mass of the diesel will keep it going when the gasser is gasping. I pass them all the time on the 6%+ pulls doing 35/40 and struggling to keep that. OR they pull small light weight trailers or both. I know what works in the real world. Ya'll have a good one.
I don't have anything against gassers or any of you guys. I enjoyed it a lot. But you couldn't tow my trailer any place I go.
That's funny. Us gassers can say that yes, diesel is by far the better option for hard towing but that HP is HP and in specific situations, that gasser will pull ahead of a diesel if it has more HP but you don't hear or understand that and get all offended.
If you had more HORSEPOWER, you wouldn't have been struggling to keep 35/40 mph. If my gas engine had more TORQUE, I wouldn't be looking at regearing to 4.56:1 for some of the insane highway on ramps in TX when we head out there.
When you calculate the max speed of a vehicle, it is ALL about horsepower. Torque has nothing to do with the top speed and all to do with how you accellerate to it.
I don't tow as heavy as you and not very often at that so I won't own a diesel. The truck sits in the driveway most of the time unless we need something from Lowes or it's vacation time. When we do pull the TT, I probably don't even hit 16k combined. If I did ever decide to go diesel, it sure as heck wouldn't be anything after '06 or so.
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Sport45 wrote:Chalk up another win for the diesel and move on down the road with a smile on your face. That's what it's about.
If a vehicle was equipped with a 300hp prime mover and you were insulated from sensory input like noise, tach, throttle position, etc., my guess is you wouldn't be able to tell if it was diesel, gas, steam, or electricity pulling you up the hill.
When you plug the coffee pot in, does it brew faster if the power was generated by diesel rather than gasoline or hydroelectric?
Well said.
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Sport45 wrote:Chalk up another win for the diesel and move on down the road with a smile on your face. That's what it's about.
If a vehicle was equipped with a 300hp prime mover and you were insulated from sensory input like noise, tach, throttle position, etc., my guess is you wouldn't be able to tell if it was diesel, gas, steam, or electricity pulling you up the hill.
When you plug the coffee pot in, does it brew faster if the power was generated by diesel rather than gasoline or hydroelectric?
As a matter of fact I just traded an 06 F150 for an 06 Ram 3500 CTD last week. I was shocked at the Dodge when I took it for a test drive. It rode a lot smoother and the cab was quieter. I actually made a friend of mine take it out too to make sure it wasn't just me. He even said the comparison was like going from a pinto to a cadillac. Now factor in that I am so far getting 16-20 mpg in the dodge and I will be smiling till the body rusts off. The best I ever got out of the F150 was 17.
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I pass them all the time on the 6%+ pulls doing 35/40 and struggling to keep that.
And the problem with this is . . . . ? (that it isn't a problem).
Buying a tow vehicle to maintain a higher speed on a few grades annually would be more than near to stupid given the 99.9% of all other miles traveled (and loads) the rest of the year where it's performance is more than adequate. Lower purchase price and lower operating expenses for all miles travelled is the intelligent manner in spec'ng a vehicle, commercial or private.
Only the sheeple are afraid of reasonable ascent speeds. The downgrade is the single concern.
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transamz9
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Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:You guys are forgetting that the diesel engines are making the same HP as the gas motors. Just don't have to turn 5500 RPM's to get it. Are you going to tell me that you feel comfy holding 5-5500 rpm's for 4-5 miles at a time?
Now you're starting to catch on. With the 345hp Hemi Ram in stock form, it needed to turn 4200rpm to produce 300hp. My '03 SO Cummins powered duplicate... wasn't capable of 300hp in stock form. So at a casual 4200rpm growl, the '05 Hemi would out tow the '03 SO Cummins in stock form without the shrill of 5500rpm. That's just my experience. The newer diesels will walk away from my 5.4L F250 towing anything. But at the cost of $8k and much higher potential for troubles. I'll gladly take the slow lane. Others are free to disagree.
Curious Hannibal, what did you pay for your '05 hemi new?
Listed for $33,580. I got it for $27,900.
So I only paid $3,000 more for my Diesel? Do you think your truck will out tow an '05 Cummins in stock form?
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