TDInewguy
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I'm the guy that has the super singles...
So you ask - why? There seems to be a lot of negativity against them.
- what about a blowout?
- availablilty
- winter handling
As for the blowout thing - if you get a steer tire that blows out, you are stuck. If you get a rear tire to blowout, I don't think anyone I know would want to continue the trip. If you have a rear that blows and it's 50% worn, are you really only going to replace one of the two tires? They are no longer the same size! And if you DO drive on one rear tire, how long till it blows out?
The availability - Michelin has promised that there is nationwide availability of the tires. I talked directly to Michelin about this and they promise something like a 4 hour response time on a tire. Frankly, if I were to get a blowout I know it's going to be a trip delay no matter what.
The ride is better on a super single and the snow/ice performance is good. I drove my motorhome in the snow and was pleasantly surprised how it handled.
One big benefit is you don't have to worry about trying to equalize the two rear tires.
So do I like them and would I buy them again?? YES YES YES!
The ride is MUCH smoother and the handling is very good.
As for MPG, I don't have a great measure on that, but all the tests from Michelin show it as better.
Frankly most of the nay sayers here have an opinion not based on fact. The guys that have them on semi trucks, that is a different application so I would not base my decision on that. Ask those of us that have them on motorhomes!
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TDInewguy wrote:I'm the guy that has the super singles...
So you ask - why? There seems to be a lot of negativity against them.
The ride is better on a super single and the snow/ice performance is good. I drove my motorhome in the snow and was pleasantly surprised how it handled.
The ride is MUCH smoother and the handling is very good.
If a very comfortable RIDE is what Im seeking...I depend on a properly set up SUSPENSION system to provide that....not some under inflated balloon tires!
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TDInewguy wrote:I
The availability - Michelin has promised that there is nationwide availability of the tires. I talked directly to Michelin about this and they promise something like a 4 hour response time on a tire.
It's easy to make promises and exactly what is a "response?" It could be a return call to tell you that a tire is 5 days away.
Just for fun some day, call a Michelin dealer in the middle of no-where and ask how long it would take him to get one of your tires.
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I'm one of the fools who carries a spare. It will fit any of the six places on my motorhome. If one of the rears goes flat, I wold not continue a trip with one dual flat, but it's nice to be able tp pick the spot you will stop to call road service.
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6ofus wrote:Following some of the logic on this thread I need to look at converting my front tires to duals. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
It is really interesting how ideas come and go. I remember about 15 years ago when someone (I think Michelin) developed an auto tire that was two skinny tires on a special rim. Anyone else remember that?
That was Avon, not Michelin. I never saw a review of them anywhere in any of the many auto mags I read.
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TDInewguy wrote:Frankly most of the nay sayers here have an opinion not based on fact. The guys that have them on semi trucks, that is a different application so I would not base my decision on that. Ask those of us that have them on motorhomes!
Nay Saying is a way of life around here, I still hear folk complain about those new-fangeled slideouts! This forum is more about harworking folk & not so much about inventive risktakers.
Did you replace a set of duals or was your rig already equiped with supersingles? What did you pay? Wheels included?
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TDInewguy
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I bought my rig in November 2008, and it had the original tires - which were 6 years old. I could maybe have gotten another season out of them, but with young kids and my agressive driving style it was not worth the risk.
So I took off the duals and bought the super singles.
Cost? These numbers are approximate as I don't have the invoice in front of me nor memorized.
445/50/22.5 Michelin XONE XRV tire - $900-950 range
14" wide 22.5 USED alcoa rim (found a used set at a local truck tire dealer) - $250/ea
Comparatively the price on the 235/80/22.5 XRV was about $420 each. The "upcharge" was only the cost of the rims.
I did also upgrade my front tires to a 275/70/22.5 Michelin Energy tire. Much higher load range all the way around on my coach now and I run about 80-85psi in all the tires.
I did have my coach weighed on all 4 corners to get the right pressures.
If anyone would like to come drive my coach, please feel free. I'm in Sedona, AZ right now and will be home in MN in a week or so.
I will reiterate, would I buy them again? YES YES YES!
To just address the whole blowout thing - I am not in the least worried about it. If it happens, I will deal with it. If any major problem happens, I'll deal with it.
Tell me this question - if you had a water pump or alternator fail, how long would you be waiting on the side of the road? If you are in some remote town where you can't find a super single tire, I'm preeeeetty sure you won't find those either!!
Take a few steps back and look hard at what you are fighting.
If I were to have a blowout on a dual rear tire, I would just plan on buying TWO rear tires at least... depending on the wear and age of the tires.
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Hi there!
Update - I just drove another 1500 miles with these "newfangled" tires. I was loaded up to the hilt with full fuel tank, full water tanks, a 24' enclosed trailer in tow and 2 extra adults and all their junk.
Wow, what a nice ride and great turning in tight spots. I pulled into a PDQ fuel station in Elkhart, IN that was a "car" fuel station with my 39' long rig and 24' trailer and was able to manuver in there without a problem.
Fuel economy was great - loaded up and travelling at about 75mph I was getting right around 8mpg.
Would I buy them again - you bet!!
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squadleader
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If I get too much time on my hands, I've been known to start solving problems I don't have. Going to the time and trouble of switching out duals for super singles could be a sign of that, especially when they don't even have as much load capacity.
Take it from a fellow sufferer, you need to think about something else.
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-Gramps-
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If one of the advantages of a super single is not having to equalize duallies, then buy a set of Crossfires. They will equalize your tires, make em last longer, tell you your air pressue, and allow you one point to fill both tires. Plus they cost a heck of a lot less money. 72 bucks a side.
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