Grit dog
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^If it’s a v nose boat or v nose trailer. OP didn’t say.
I could get by 18” of hitch extension with a v nose but not with a pickle fork nose boat, or I couldn’t get the trailer 90deg from the camper without hitting.
And yes the tongue being under the camper a bit was fine, no vertical clearance issues. Just turning.
To Bedlams point though, the sled trailer (v nose but short tongue length and fixed jack) wouldn’t work even with a 24” extension. His old truck having an ~5” longer truck bed than a short bed Dodge and the extra extension would have been equivalent to ~32” extension on the dodge, same camper length and style.
Although I may just be making this all up according to jimh, lol.
On another note, not sure why it’s so hard for someone like him, who has arguably read most of my posts for like 10 years now, to believe.
Regarding being “overloaded”, he is 100% correct. Technically by the sticker and anything less than 4000 lb rated tires, he is overloaded. In a rv.net type of way. Real world, that truck is fine for what he’s doing. Not ideal, but fine.
And again, even though I could be reciting an elaborate ruse, the combo handled better with the boats or other trailers with respect to body roll (short srw truck) and appears to get the same or nearly the same fuel mileage with or without the trailer. 10’ tall boat drafting a 12’ tall camper basically negated the towing penalty.
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deltabravo
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I tow all the time when I have the camper on the truck.
I use a Torklift Superhitch and Supertruss extension. I've been using them since 2009.
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srschang
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To Grit Dog's point about the hitch extension not needing to extend all the way to the back of the camper, here's my setup. The Northstar 12STC camper has 4' of overhang behind my truck bed. The hitch extension is 34" long. It works fine, but if the trailer is 45 degrees or so from straight with the truck & camper, and the trailer is uphill of the truck & camper, the gravel guard on the trailer will scrape paint off the rear jack. I've had to repaint a couple times. And it is a bit of a pain to hook and unhook the trailer.
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mkirsch
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Grit dog wrote:^If it’s a v nose boat or v nose trailer. OP didn’t say.
OP said it was a "Nautique" which even if you don't want to bother googling it, combined with the stated 350lb tongue weight and 6200lb trailer weight, safe to assume it's a boat.
Frankly I'm surprised there was no finger-wagging over the ~5% tongue weight.
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stevenal
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Supertruss
Says 6000/600 at 48" without WD.
Anyone dragging these things on the ground at grade changes? Seems like it wouldn't take much at 48". Might at least want to deal with the suspension sag caused by the camper + tongue.
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Grit dog
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mkirsch wrote:Grit dog wrote:^If it’s a v nose boat or v nose trailer. OP didn’t say.
OP said it was a "Nautique" which even if you don't want to bother googling it, combined with the stated 350lb tongue weight and 6200lb trailer weight, safe to assume it's a boat.
Frankly I'm surprised there was no finger-wagging over the ~5% tongue weight.
And probably a v nose based on the lighter tongue weight. I’m quite familiar with Nautique boats. And if you’d read or quoted my next sentence I was specifically comparing v nose boats to what’s slang referred to as pickle forks (after race boats).
The biggest applicable differences being v nose is typically lighter tongue weight due to less weight of fiberglass in the front and a v nose apples to apples with the same setback from the hitch ball will turn sharper with less hitch extension and a pickle fork boat will weigh more up front and hit the back of the camper sooner.
No googling needed. But you must be in the “Do you even own a boat, bro?” camp that ole Jimh is….
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srschang
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stevenal wrote:Supertruss
Says 6000/600 at 48" without WD.
Anyone dragging these things on the ground at grade changes? Seems like it wouldn't take much at 48". Might at least want to deal with the suspension sag caused by the camper + tongue.
I haven't had a problem, but then again my hitch extension is only 34" with 200# tongue weight. Although the camper weighs 4800#.
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Grit dog
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What’s also hard to get thru to “professional” RVers and weekend warriors alike is the whole tongue weight thing.
Just because one type of trailer may need more tongue weight to tow straight doesn’t mean that’s a necessity for other types of trailers. But thanks for playing….
Axle placement, weight behind the axle centerline and distance back from axles, competency of tow rig tires and suspension, wind resistance, type of hitch (ball or pintle), etc all play into how a trailer pulls.
And specifically many smaller boats pleasure boats have the axles placed much further rearward than say a typical travel trailer or enclosed trailer that would either be far too tongue heavy, or an utility or cargo trailer that may be designed to haul different loads with diffenrt weight concentrations or centers of mass.
Hopefully the “new folks” find this info useful or helpful, even if the crusty armchair geezernet QBs can’t help themselves from refuting literally almost everything….
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Grit dog
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srschang wrote:To Grit Dog's point about the hitch extension not needing to extend all the way to the back of the camper, here's my setup. The Northstar 12STC camper has 4' of overhang behind my truck bed. The hitch extension is 34" long. It works fine, but if the trailer is 45 degrees or so from straight with the truck & camper, and the trailer is uphill of the truck & camper, the gravel guard on the trailer will scrape paint off the rear jack. I've had to repaint a couple times. And it is a bit of a pain to hook and unhook the trailer.
Perzactly!
And if your trailer was a v nose you’d get more rotation before hitting with the same extension length.
Good visual you provided for those who are hard of understanding!
Another example, the old toyhauler vs my v nose enclosed sled trialer.
Towed the sled trailer everywhere jack knifing it into spots, whatever.
Same hitch stinger, couldn’t turn more than maybe 70deg with the toyhauler (square nose) before the trailer would munch the tail lights on the truck. And the tongue was slightly longer on the toyhauler.
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stevenal wrote:Supertruss
Says 6000/600 at 48" without WD.
Anyone dragging these things on the ground at grade changes? Seems like it wouldn't take much at 48". Might at least want to deal with the suspension sag caused by the camper + tongue.
Yeah, me which is why I installed the torklift skid roller on my 42" supertruss
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