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CA Traveler wrote: FishOnOne wrote: Not sure how to quantify this test but I would consider calling it an epic fail.
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X2 for heavy towing. It will be interesting to see their next test which will focus more on typical homeowner usage.
And the 7,600 mile off road Rivian trip (43 days coast to coast) in Motortrend Jan 2022 demonstrated the potential future of EV trucks. It’s a 16 page article on their trip on the Trans-America Trail will very few paved miles. This is an extreme torture route.
Some of my take aways from these 2 articles: The Rivian is a superior truck to gas/diesel trucks in every category except heavy towing. This includes ride, comfort, noise, acceleration, flat underbody, fording up to 42.7 inches of water and more. This is due in part to the McLaren like hydraulic cross-linked suspension with a motor on each wheel and 908 lb-ft of torque.
Other articles I’ve read on battery development suggest 3x battery capacity at the same weight with a 1 million mile life. Or same battery capacity at 1/3 the weight. Future development and price will continue to evolve. As will deployment of charging stations.
I watch the Long Way Up, where the Rivian trucks went from the tip of South America to LA and they preformed very well.
Lexus is coming out with solid state batteries that will extend their electric car range considerably.
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I have a feeling solid state is 5+ years away and not sure I want to be a first user. So that would be close to 10 years for me.
Will suffer along with limited range for now.
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time2roll,
I'd love to suffer with you!
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Quantumscape just hit the jackpot with NEW Solid-state battery
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pianotuna wrote: time2roll,
I'd love to suffer with you!
I think there is going to be plenty of suffering from ALL sides until better batteries built, quicker charging, more charging places closer together, before electric rigs can come into play, and or taker over the ICE rigs.
With this said, EV's have the power it seems to pull larger loads, with out overheating as bad as ICE rigs per say. Doing 70 up the road it did, is doing fantastic IMHO. A TD in a 25/35 rig may pull that trailer at those speeds, not positive the biggest ICE motor in a 15 series will!
With the above said, it would be also I teresting to see how much fuel per say was used at the legal towing speed, I believe 55 in CA, or 60 generally speaking in the other states and Canada, vs what appears to be a pedal to the metal speed test! How much farther would the maxed out speed limit rig be able to go before charging the battery(s)? To add another comparison to what many other comparisons others have thought up!
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pianotuna wrote: time2roll,
I'd love to suffer with you! Yes the I-Pace is roughing it for sure.
Originally the car was rated 234 miles but with software updates it now registers at 270 at 3 years of driving. I will get by some how
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So TFL tests the Rivian vs a Tundra on a tow test loop towing a 2,000lb trailer for 153 miles.
Results:
Rivian: Consumed 91% of battery capacity
Tundra: Consumed 32% of fuel tank capacity.
Add in the refuel and recharge time of these two trucks, the Tundra for any towing application is the clear winner hands down.
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blt2ski wrote: pianotuna wrote: time2roll,
I'd love to suffer with you!
I think there is going to be plenty of suffering from ALL sides until better batteries built, quicker charging, more charging places closer together, before electric rigs can come into play, and or taker over the ICE rigs.
With this said, EV's have the power it seems to pull larger loads, with out overheating as bad as ICE rigs per say. Doing 70 up the road it did, is doing fantastic IMHO. A TD in a 25/35 rig may pull that trailer at those speeds, not positive the biggest ICE motor in a 15 series will!
With the above said, it would be also I teresting to see how much fuel per say was used at the legal towing speed, I believe 55 in CA, or 60 generally speaking in the other states and Canada, vs what appears to be a pedal to the metal speed test! How much farther would the maxed out speed limit rig be able to go before charging the battery(s)? To add another comparison to what many other comparisons others have thought up!
Marty
I can’t speak to other EV’s but speed makes a huge difference for us. We live in BC where most of the interior secondary highways are 80 or 90 kmh and occasionally 100 kmh. The EPA rating for our car is 570 kilometres ish. Easy to achieve on secondary highways as all the little towns along the way cause you to slow down to 50 kmh quite often. But if travelling on the trans Canada or American interstates etc our range drops to probably 20 percent less than the EPA rating. Having said that our Jeep Grand Cherokee was about the same though. Speed really cuts into efficiency regardless of the fuel.
Not an expert. JMHO.
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Reisender wrote:
I can’t speak to other EV’s but speed makes a huge difference for us. We live in BC where most of the interior secondary highways are 80 or 90 kmh and occasionally 100 kmh. The EPA rating for our car is 570 kilometres ish. Easy to achieve on secondary highways as all the little towns along the way cause you to slow down to 50 kmh quite often. But if travelling on the trans Canada or American interstates etc our range drops to probably 20 percent less than the EPA rating. Having said that our Jeep Grand Cherokee was about the same though. Speed really cuts into efficiency regardless of the fuel.
Not an expert. JMHO.
No different down here in the southern Salish Sea too. Today diesel is still the best fuel option for a vehicle if you want power, mpg and distance per fueling. That is not to say an EV won't get there....or be a bit less like gas is. Hybrids certainly have a place too! All or many the Washington st ferries are diesel hybrids. ALL of these fuel types have a place.
Speed, aerodynamics, tire type, wind against or with, road bed type, weight, to name a few things that cut into the generic term of mpg! its a how much or bad will it be.
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I would take a hybrid if I could eliminate the multi-speed transmission, torque converter and reduce the engine by 50% or more.
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