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And the tax rate is not tied to inflation which means as road repairs cost more the tax being collected is not increasing.
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FishOnOne wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:"For his use, the 95cc+ ported smoky stinky 2-stroke work wonders"
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BCSnob wrote:And the tax rate is not tied to inflation which means as road repairs cost more the tax being collected is not increasing.
The problem is when you suck $$$ out of the fuel tax to pay for light rail, park and ride facilities and buses the road fund gets the short end of the stick. Subsidizing EV's does not help either so then they want to start charging you by the mile. Bottom line the average person get's screwed again and the minority wins.
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ksss wrote:Thermoguy wrote:Grit dog wrote:
Using WA as an example since I know the gas tax. The EV fee = approx 300 gal worth of gas tax collected.
If I assume EV ers were already driving a 30mpg car, that is the equivalent of an average of 9000 miles per year.
Just a 5 day a week reasonable commute here = approx 15,000 mi per year plus other non commuting miles.
WA is still giving EV owners a big break on gas tax overall I’d say.
In WA state - House Bill 2026 will be introduced this year to discuss how to initiate a road usage charge. This is a pay by mile tax that is expected to start in 2024-25. I was part of a 1 year study where I installed a GPS tracker in my car. They could show me how many miles I drove in each state I visited. Since I drive to OR and ID often, this made sense to me and I wanted the study to see that not everyone commutes to and from the same place. The state of OR has a bid out this week that includes implementing a road usage charge as well as tolling and some other new things. This RUC is not just for EV's but all vehicles that don't pay there share of gas tax. I assume in the future we could add this to bike and whomever else is not paying there fair share of taxes. By the way, this also shows who is overpaying - like a large truck that only gets 10 mpg while towing... The study looked at how many miles you drove and made some assumptions about how much gas you use. But my vehicle gets about 19-20 mpg and the study always had me with a small credit. It also showed my out of state miles and how that would apply.
I bring this up because this is happening all over the country not just the NW. Lawmakers recognize that these new vehicles don't fit the gas tax model and they need their revenue to keep the infrastructure up to date. So, dig deeper into your pocket books...
Just to make another off topic point - the same thing happened when everyone wanted their house to be more efficient. People started installing insulation, energy efficient windows, etc. They utilities started losing money, so they raised the rates. All those companies that showed a home owner how they could pay back their upgrades by saving on energy bills, out the window because the rates went up and washed out all the savings...
....and above are several MORE reasons to avoid Or. and Wa.
Pretty much every state in the country, Canada, and Europe are going to this model - but ID, UT, CA, all looking at how to charge for mileage driven vs gas tax. Out East, same thing.
EV's are coming and they need to pay their fare share of the roadway. Now if they can just figure out how to get Bikes to pay back the Billions of infrastructure being installed to accommodate them...
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The loss in value of the collected gas tax (fed and state) due to inflation and improved vehicle mpg has been larger than the redirection of these monies to other uses.
A user fee is the most fair means to fund roads either by tolls or by mileage and then eliminate the gas tax. Tie the fees to inflation and write the laws so that the money only goes to fund roads. This last bit is key; politicians (on both sides) don’t like give up funds they are using for their pet projects.
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I believe the roads should be paid for with a progressive income tax structure.
Current fuel tax can go to projects to reduce pollution and alternate clean transportation infrastructure.
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I’d go the other way, roads are paid for by users; new transportation projects are paid for by other funding sources (like income or business tax).
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time2roll wrote:I believe the roads should be paid for with a progressive income tax structure.
Current fuel tax can go to projects to reduce pollution and alternate clean transportation infrastructure.
Well dontcha know...If that ain't a classic Cali response I don't know what is....
So I should pay 3x as much road tax as the guy making a median income (tax the rich) for theoretically the same privilege's and 5x as much as anyone low income, who both hypothetically use the same roads the same amount.
Then I should get extra taxed for buying fossil fuel for my vehicle? Of course "I" would have the means to buy a EV, unlike the low and median income guy. So I escape that tax and the low and median guy pay by gas tax?
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time2roll wrote:Thermoguy wrote: All those companies that showed a home owner how they could pay back their upgrades by saving on energy bills, out the window because the rates went up and washed out all the savings... And for those that did not increase efficiency they still have both inefficient high usage AND the increased cost.
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larry cad wrote:time2roll wrote:Thermoguy wrote: All those COMPANIES that showed a home owner how they could pay back their upgrades by saving on energy bills, out the window because the rates went up and washed out all the savings... And for those that did not increase efficiency they still have both inefficient high usage AND the increased cost.
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