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Full time, not only that, there are US airlines with American crews flying into Canadian cities, albeit a limited number of cities in Canada just like the US. The only difference is that those Canadian and US airlines will only be carrying Canadian-approved passengers. However, the point here is not the nationality of the passengers; it is the deal made between airlines and nations to keep all those airlines flying; they really are losing money, but are happy to stay afloat in this bad environment. It's better than going "belly up," and these airlines are of national importance to each respective nation. If each nation floated their debt or gave them a bailout, you and I as taxpayers would pay for it. Everything is not black and white, but instead shades of grey. You are the first person I now know who has brought up this subject, and I bet you had to do some digging in the news media to find out.
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charlestonsouthern wrote:Full time, not only that, there are US airlines with American crews flying into Canadian cities, albeit a limited number of cities in Canada just like the US. The only difference is that those Canadian and US airlines will only be carrying Canadian-approved passengers. However, the point here is not the nationality of the passengers; it is the deal made between airlines and nations to keep all those airlines flying; they really are losing money, but are happy to stay afloat in this bad environment. It's better than going "belly up," and these airlines are of national importance to each respective nation. If each nation floated their debt or gave them a bailout, you and I as taxpayers would pay for it. Everything is not black and white, but instead shades of grey. You are the first person I now know who has brought up this subject, and I bet you had to do some digging in the news media to find out.
Actually Charleston I didn't have to do any digging. It was a casual comment to my hubby yesterday from someone local saying "land borders are closed but people can still fly into the USA even non-essentials". I googled and nearly fell to the floor when I read this that popped up immediately. I hear what you are saying about nations bailouts of airlines etc but where is the common sense in the USA closing the land border when they are happy for any Canadian to set foot quarantine free in their country via air???? Sorry I still don't get it.
I for one wouldn't jump on a plane today, in close proximity to too many others with low air exchange, but in trying to live as normal a life as possible right now ...... "maybe" I would drive my RV over the border spend money at grocery stores (masked etc), walk through a small populated low covid risk village/town and drop some dollars as well at Fuel stops, Fishing licenses and more. Such an unnecessary lost revenue for the USA. I understand Canada's perspective keeping the border closed if they truly are applying the same rules on only essential and quarantined on arrival airline passengers however, and I'd say the same about the USA if that were the case, but it's clearly not.
I just don't see the logic with the higher chance of airline passengers spreading COVID, than those in their own bubble vehicles that would spend monies in the USA not being allowed to enter via road. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/confused.gif "confused")
It just all seems crazy to me, but then again I'm not a politician and it's the crazy world we live in I guess really showing it's true colours right now. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/scratchead.gif "scratchead")
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Full time, Couldn't agree with you more, especially your last paragraph (love the scratching your head cartoon!). We'll get through this, and things will start changing in January. Can't tell you why because that would be discussing national politics. Take care.
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JaxDad wrote:charlestonsouthern wrote:garyhaupt, you have to remember that we are dealing with a population of approximately 328 million people. Canada is only dealing with approximately 38 million people. With new leadership, we can lick this thing regardless of the size of the population. But it will require isolation by shutting down completely two borders.
I don’t know if you’ve ever heard the famous line, ‘there’s 3 categories of untruths, there’s lies, **** lies, and statistics’,
Yes the US has ~ 8.6 times the population of Canada but it has 40 times the cases, and more than 17 times the number of deaths.
Now compare that to places with a lot more complicating factors, but took serious measures to curb the spread early on, India for example.
India has 1.353 billion people, more than 4 times the population of the US, yet they have had just over 1/3rd the number of cases and less than 1/4 the number of deaths.
Only 1.46% of Residents in the US out of 336,000,000 million have been diagnosed with the Virus of that number only a small percentage have been fatal.
i think I related this before but..Son In Law co-worker is a nurse in a clinic in a hospital not far from our home.
She gives the test for the Virus! When someone comes in and is tested and the test is positive they are required to self quaranine for the week, return and be retested the ext week and if positive to self quanratine another week, this is repeated for sx weeks, or until the test is negative.
Each time they are tested it is reported to the CDC in Atlanta as if a new case!!
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down home wrote:JaxDad wrote:charlestonsouthern wrote:garyhaupt, you have to remember that we are dealing with a population of approximately 328 million people. Canada is only dealing with approximately 38 million people. With new leadership, we can lick this thing regardless of the size of the population. But it will require isolation by shutting down completely two borders.
I don’t know if you’ve ever heard the famous line, ‘there’s 3 categories of untruths, there’s lies, **** lies, and statistics’,
Yes the US has ~ 8.6 times the population of Canada but it has 40 times the cases, and more than 17 times the number of deaths.
Now compare that to places with a lot more complicating factors, but took serious measures to curb the spread early on, India for example.
India has 1.353 billion people, more than 4 times the population of the US, yet they have had just over 1/3rd the number of cases and less than 1/4 the number of deaths.
Only 1.46% of Residents in the US out of 336,000,000 million have been diagnosed with the Virus of that number only a small percentage have been fatal.
i think I related this before but..Son In Law co-worker is a nurse in a clinic in a hospital not far from our home.
She gives the test for the Virus! When someone comes in and is tested and the test is positive they are required to self quaranine for the week, return and be retested the ext week and if positive to self quanratine another week, this is repeated for sx weeks, or until the test is negative.
Each time they are tested it is reported to the CDC in Atlanta as if a new case!!
Wow, all that quarantine time has really had an effect, the population has gone up by nearly 4 million from just over 328, million only a few months ago. I guess there wasn’t much good on TV.....
As for the reports, that’s false, the report says it’s a positive result, and that it’s a subsequent test on a previously reported person.
Percentages are a funny thing though, 1.5% of population being sick, and 0.05% dead seems like NOTHING ......
Until you realize that means more 160,000 people died ....... so far .......
To put that in perspective, that’s the entire population of Jackson, the capitol of Mississippi, that doesn’t sound anything like “only” to me.
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JaxDad, "I guess there wasn't much good on TV ...". Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! I have to get my mind out of the gutter! Ohhhh, the miracle of birth!
Ok. Seriously, India (or even Mexico, for that matter) -- 1.353 billion -- Do you really believe the stats. coming out of India? Even the expats who live there don't believe them. The hordes of so many people living there get Covid, never see a doctor or hospital, simply die where they live, and subsequently are buried with no diagnosis. My Grandfather died in the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918; never got a chance to know him; he was a farmer in very rural Georgia and neither was diagnosed by a doctor (while he was alive) nor visited a hospital. Communication was so slow back then, and thus, it was weeks later when the family suspected what he died of. You and I today have great communications and stats. institutions to rely on in our countries (with us, it's the CDC in Georgia and Johns Hopkins in Maryland) which we fight to have politics free.
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JaxDad wrote:down home wrote:JaxDad wrote:charlestonsouthern wrote:garyhaupt, you have to remember that we are dealing with a population of approximately 328 million people. Canada is only dealing with approximately 38 million people. With new leadership, we can lick this thing regardless of the size of the population. But it will require isolation by shutting down completely two borders.
I don’t know if you’ve ever heard the famous line, ‘there’s 3 categories of untruths, there’s lies, **** lies, and statistics’,
Yes the US has ~ 8.6 times the population of Canada but it has 40 times the cases, and more than 17 times the number of deaths.
Now compare that to places with a lot more complicating factors, but took serious measures to curb the spread early on, India for example.
India has 1.353 billion people, more than 4 times the population of the US, yet they have had just over 1/3rd the number of cases and less than 1/4 the number of deaths.
Only 1.46% of Residents in the US out of 336,000,000 million have been diagnosed with the Virus of that number only a small percentage have been fatal.
i think I related this before but..Son In Law co-worker is a nurse in a clinic in a hospital not far from our home.
She gives the test for the Virus! When someone comes in and is tested and the test is positive they are required to self quaranine for the week, return and be retested the ext week and if positive to self quanratine another week, this is repeated for sx weeks, or until the test is negative.
Each time they are tested it is reported to the CDC in Atlanta as if a new case!!
Wow, all that quarantine time has really had an effect, the population has gone up by nearly 4 million from just over 328, million only a few months ago. I guess there wasn’t much good on TV.....
As for the reports, that’s false, the report says it’s a positive result, and that it’s a subsequent test on a previously reported person.
Percentages are a funny thing though, 1.5% of population being sick, and 0.05% dead seems like NOTHING ......
Until you realize that means more 160,000 people died ....... so far .......
To put that in perspective, that’s the entire population of Jackson, the capitol of Mississippi, that doesn’t sound anything like “only” to me.
If you go by the numbers of people who caught it compared to the amount who have dies, the US has twice the number of deaths per million cases than Canada has. could be because of a larger amount of elderly people in the areas where it is rampant, but who knows.
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Steve, thank you for being so nice, but I know and you know that nationally the US has been a disaster, no plan at all; there has been disjointed efforts by various states to come up with plans; some states are even banding together to form their own confederacy to devise plans; there is no other way at present; states haven't done that since 1861, but this time there is a very good reason for it.
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Fisherman wrote:
I believe his purpose is to keep those out who think it doesn't apply to them and although it may be a small amount, we don't want any more cases erupting if it is being brought across the border. It may be an inconvenience to some, but I'd rather be safe than infected by some than can't get it past their thick heads. Cheers, I have no ill will against our southern friends.
If *I* was Canadian - I wouldn't want us, either....LOL! I think most of us understand that, as we live like hermits trying to avoid those Americans who refuse to help slow the spread.
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"Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else."
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