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monkey44

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Posted: 04/19/20 09:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Not to mention UNDER REPORTING, UNDERTESTING can easily skew numbers which ever way one wants the numbers to turn out.. So, one must be careful when it comes to statistics, they CAN lie..


Data is only as good as the items you count - says absolutely nothing about those items you miss.


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Ppm virus in air that passes mouth or nose. Anything else is frivolous

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ABC 's Good Morn America reporting today LA County in Ca. may have as much as 56 times the reported cases of C19 .

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Posted: 04/21/20 06:52am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

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After adjusting for population and test performance characteristics, we estimate that the seroprevalence of
antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County is between 2.49% and 4.16%, with uncertainty bounds
ranging from 1.80% (lower uncertainty bound of the lowest estimate), up to 5.70% (upper uncertainty
bound of the highest estimate).

The most important implication of these findings is that the number of infections is much greater than the
reported number of cases. Our data imply that, by April 1 (three days prior to the end of our survey)
between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara County. The reported number of
confirmed positive cases in the county on April 1 was 956, 50-85-fold lower than the number of
infections predicted by this study.17 The infection to case ratio, also referred to as an under-ascertainment
rate, of at least 50, is meaningfully higher than current estimates.10,18 This ascertainment rate is a
fundamental parameter of many projection and epidemiologic models, and is used as a calibration target
for understanding epidemic stage and calculating fatality rates.19,20 The under-ascertainment for COVID-
19 is likely a function of reliance on PCR for case identification which misses convalescent cases, early
spread in the absence of systematic testing, and asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic infections that go
undetected.

We can use our prevalence estimates to approximate the infection fatality rate from COVID-19 in Santa
Clara County. As of April 10, 2020, 50 people have died of COVID-19 in the County, with an average
increase of 6% daily in the number of deaths. If our estimates of 48,000-81,000 infections represent the
cumulative total on April 1, and we project deaths to April 22 (a 3 week lag from time of infection to
death22), we estimate about 100 deaths in the county. A hundred deaths out of 48,000-81,000 infections
corresponds to an infection fatality rate of 0.12-0.2%.


COVID-19: Herd Immunity and Convalescent Plasma Transfer Therapy
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Therefore, for R0 = 2-3, nearly 50 to 66.66 percent* (threshold) of the population is required to be immune against COVID-19 for the protection of susceptible individuals in a given population through herd immunity.


If R0 for Covid-19 is 2-3 and at this point in time a harder hit region like Santa Clara CA has had a 2%-5% infection rate; there is a long way to go before we establish herd immunity to Covid-19.

On the plus side, this serological study (measuring antibodies) suggests the mortality rate is much lower than estimated using only the positive rt-PCR tests (current test method used to determine infection) because we are significantly under testing.

Since demographics play a key roll in the severity of covid-19, the results of this study may not be reflective of how this disease plays out in other regions.

US Census: Santa Clara County, California

* This post was edited 04/21/20 07:57am by BCSnob *

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That is some very good important information. If the infection rate is 5% that means that 95% of the population is still susceptible and virgin territory for this virus. It's a little reassuring that the mortality rate may be much lower than originally suspected.

The information seems to show that we have "flattened the curve" nationwide to the point that our health care system as a whole is handling the number of cases. BUT, there are still hotspots where the systems are taxed, in some cases where help outside their own community is needed.

With many states starting to relax stay at home orders, we're in uncharted territory because we don't really know the status of the population due to the lack of testing.

Best case, we're still going to have hotspots and localized epidemics until a vaccine or therapy or herd immunity occur.

Worst case, we'll have a second wave worse than the first, like what happened in the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic.

The big take away is that the virus is still out there. It is prudent to still take precautions, especially for those of us older folks.


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802159 cases and 43495 deaths. Where will this end?


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dturm wrote:

That is some very good important information. If the infection rate is 5% that means that 95% of the population is still susceptible and virgin territory for this virus. It's a little reassuring that the mortality rate may be much lower than originally suspected.

The information seems to show that we have "flattened the curve" nationwide to the point that our health care system as a whole is handling the number of cases. BUT, there are still hotspots where the systems are taxed, in some cases where help outside their own community is needed.

With many states starting to relax stay at home orders, we're in uncharted territory because we don't really know the status of the population due to the lack of testing.

Best case, we're still going to have hotspots and localized epidemics until a vaccine or therapy or herd immunity occur.

Worst case, we'll have a second wave worse than the first, like what happened in the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic.

The big take away is that the virus is still out there. It is prudent to still take precautions, especially for those of us older folks.


One thing we aren't in uncharted waters about. Costs of lives is directly tied to unemployment. Well documented and I share some of your favorite sources below. We have deliberately created HUGE unemployment. We must have a balance, there is no such thing as saving all lives by hiding in your house while your house burns down.

BTW, I have read the initial post in this thread. Thus here is my documentation of what I am talking about, it's not my opinion as the quoted post above is. Do you want to talk about REAL issues or not?

Yale study unemployment & mortality

Different study same subject

State of VA suicide prevention

The Guardian

Time magazine "Unemployment is worse than death" Their headline, not mine.

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This article analyzed the economic impact of Sweden’s approach to the Covid-19 pandemic.

More Warning Signs in Sweden
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There are now alarming reports that the virus has spread to one-third of nursing homes in Stockholm, which has resulted in rising fatalities. While it is true that Swedes rarely live with their parents, older citizens are hardly isolated: The Scandinavian model simply outsources care from families to caretakers who visit dozens of clients every week. Caretakers are rarely tested for the virus but have simply been urged to stay at home if and shortly after experiencing symptoms.

Nor is there much indication that the Swedish economy is weathering the storm better than comparable countries. The drop in the stock market and the rise in unemployment are roughly in line with other advanced economies. According to official Swedish estimates, Sweden’s GDP is expected to contract by 3.4 percent this year, which is better than the 5.5 percent decline projected in a euro zone dragged down by Italy and Spain, but worse than the 2.9 percent decline prognosticated for the United States. If these prognoses are accurate, the Swedish experiment might indicate that the economic effects of the pandemic cannot be escaped by a laissez-faire approach, but that the crash is mainly driven by declining global demand, disruption in production chains, and a collective fear and loss of confidence among billions across the globe.


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This article analyzed the economic impact of Sweden’s approach to the Covid-19 pandemic.

More Warning Signs in Sweden
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That was 9 days ago. This is from yesterday. Both are honestly opinion and it will be a while before the final results are in.

Sweden says strategy working

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And this is one reason why the Swedes approach would not work in the USA.

Sweden Says Controversial Virus Strategy Proving Effective

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And while many other countries have introduced strict laws, including hefty fines if people are caught breaching newly minted social-distancing laws, Swedes appear to be following such guidelines without the need for legislation.. Trips from Stockholm to Gotland -- a popular vacation destination -- dropped by 96% over the Easter weekend, according to data from the country’s largest mobile operator, Telia Company. And online service Citymapper’s statistics indicate an almost 75% drop in mobility in the capital.


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