BC Snob wrote:

The ratios you posted are from averages over the last 28 days of data; over those last 28 days the ratios were increasing.

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The highly mutated SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (B.1.1.529) variant has been shown to evade a substantial fraction of neutralizing antibody responses elicited by current vaccines that encode the WA1/2020 Spike immunogen1, resulting in increased breakthrough infections and reduced vaccine efficacy. Cellular immune responses, particularly CD8+ T cell responses, are likely critical for protection against severe SARS-CoV-2 disease2-6. Here we show that cellular immunity induced by current SARS-CoV-2 vaccines is highly cross-reactive against the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant. Individuals who received Ad26.COV2.S or BNT162b2 vaccines demonstrated durable CD8+ and CD4+ T cell responses that showed extensive cross-reactivity against both the Delta and Omicron variants, including in central and effector memory cellular subpopulations. Median Omicron-specific CD8+ T cell responses were 82-84% of WA1/2020-specific CD8+ T cell responses. These data suggest that current vaccines may provide considerable protection against severe disease with the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant despite the substantial reduction of neutralizing antibody responses.

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Analysis of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Neutralization Data up to 2021-12-22
BioRxiv preprint 7Jan2022

Two definitive statements can be made from the aggregation of the early data on Omicron virus neutralization data. Sera from individuals who have been vaccinated twice or infected once show generally more than a 19x fold drop of titers, whereas people who have been vaccinated three times or have been vaccinated + infected show an average of approximately 7x fold drop of titers.

silversand wrote:

Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are:

-6 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
-11 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ yearolds.
-15 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds

....the above, from the Washington State report linked by BC Snob. Absolutely no contest for being fully vaccinated (this includes being boosted).

....I think where the vast population gets, um, confused about being vaccinated against sars-cov-2 is under the present situation, where Omicron has entirely escaped the vaccine's 1st defensive line (antibodies); however, the vaccine's 2nd line of defense (T and B cells) seem to be holding strong. If your T and B cells "act" fast (this of course, if you are really fully vaccinated), you may not feel many (if any) symptoms from Omicron at all.

The whole fully vaccinated game is about staying out of the hospital, or worse, becoming a mortality statistic. This, of course, applies to flu vaccines, too.

Correct BC ?

nickthehunter wrote:

No such correlation can be determined from that data. Nowhere in the data does it (for example) differentiate in "deaths with Covid" vs. "deaths due to Covid". You can have covid and die of a cancer and its all recorded the same "Covid Case".

Here is data from Minnesota: Clicky