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silversand

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Posted: 01/11/22 09:38am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Wow. As high as 10. This is approaching measles territory.

This, from Canada:

"In Ontario, recent data released by the Science Advisory Table shows the R value for Omicron at 4.01, which Dr. Andrew Morris, an infectious disease specialist at Mount Sinai Hospital, said was “unprecedented” in that it has never reached that high at any time during the pandemic. Comparatively, the Delta variant has an R value of 1.09. Both variants combined were last recorded at 1.32 on Dec. 10"


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Posted: 01/11/22 09:55am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Good background reading on R0
Complexity of the Basic Reproduction Number (R0)

I wonder if the low R numbers in your quote are actually Rt (or Re).
See R0 and Re of COVID-19: Can We Predict When the Pandemic Outbreak will be Contained?
Indian J Crit Care Med 2020;24(11):1125–1127

* This post was edited 01/11/22 10:12am by BCSnob *

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Posted: 01/11/22 05:54pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

....it is the basic reproduction number sited in the quote.

But as your article elaborates, there are complexities inherent in uncovering virus reproduction in populations....

"R0 is not a biological constant for a pathogen, a rate over time, or a measure of disease severity, and R0 cannot be modified through vaccination campaigns. R0 is rarely measured directly, and modeled R0 values are dependent on model structures and assumptions."

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Posted: 01/11/22 07:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

How can omicron be more infectious than the original strain (R0 ~3) but have an R0 less than 3?

If you look at the graph here you’ll see the y axis is listed as Rt. Also, the article that has the quote you posted and the graph (see my link) you’ll read about the R value changing over time during a pandemic. This is effective reproduction number, Rt (or Re), as defined the the links I provided earlier (see quote below) not R0.

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R0

R0 is an estimate of the contagiousness that is a function of human behavior and the biological character of pathogens. R0 is not a measure of the severity of an infectious disease or the rapidity of a pathogen's spread through a population. It is not a biological constant for a specific pathogen.1 It is estimated when there is zero immunity in the population. R0 is a derivative of the following variables—the duration of infectivity after the patient gets infected, the likelihood of transmission of infection per contact between a susceptible person and an infectious individual, and the contact rate. The infectivity of the pathogen and duration of contagiousness are biological constants, but the extent of human-to-human interaction will vary and hence R0 will vary depending on this parameter. This explains the importance of social distancing during the COVID-19 pandemic. It is also to be noted that the R0 value of COVID-19 is higher than that of SARS and MERS.

Re

Re (effective reproduction number) which also known as Rt, is the number of people in a population who can be infected by an individual at any specific time. While measuring the transmissibility of the virus at any given time during an epidemic we use Re. It changes as the population becomes increasingly immunized, either by individual immunity following infection or vaccination and also as people die.

Factors affecting Re include the number of people with infection, the number of susceptible people with whom infected people are in contact, and people's behavior such as social distancing.


This is from the first linked article on R0.
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Vaccination campaigns reduce the proportion of a population at risk for infection and have proven to be highly effective in mitigating future outbreaks (26). This conclusion is sometimes used to suggest that an aim of vaccination campaigns is to remove susceptible members of the population to reduce the R0 for the event to <1. Although the removal of susceptible members from the population will affect infection transmission by reducing the number of effective contacts between infectious and susceptible persons, this activity will technically not reduce the R0 value because the definition of R0 includes the assumption of a completely susceptible population. When examining the effect of vaccination, the more appropriate metric to use is the effective reproduction number (R), which is similar to R0 but does not assume complete susceptibility of the population and, therefore, can be estimated with populations having immune members (16,20,27). Efforts aimed at reducing the number of susceptible persons within a population through vaccination would result in a reduction of the R value, rather than R0 value.

In this article the authors use R for effective reproduction number where the authors in the quote above use Rt or Re for effective reproduction number.

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Posted: 01/12/22 09:02am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

silversand wrote:


With an exceptionally high number like that, I expect almost every living human on Earth regardless of vaccination status will contract Omicron in very short order (maybe by mid February?), including fully-boosted "us"; even using our NIOSH US-manufactured N95 masks, every time we enter an enclosed public (or, private) space not our own condo.

Anyone?


As I watch the number of new cases rise like a rocket, the infection rate at 33+% - I figure it's just a matter of time before it gets us, shots, masks and Social distancing and all. Florida's New Daily Case Rate is almost 300 per 100k population; and I know in my heart that number is really low, because the testing lines are so long that people aren't getting tested/reported. They are just hunkering down at home.....

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Deb and Ed M wrote:

silversand wrote:


With an exceptionally high number like that, I expect almost every living human on Earth regardless of vaccination status will contract Omicron in very short order (maybe by mid February?), including fully-boosted "us"; even using our NIOSH US-manufactured N95 masks, every time we enter an enclosed public (or, private) space not our own condo.

Anyone?


As I watch the number of new cases rise like a rocket, the infection rate at 33+% - I figure it's just a matter of time before it gets us, shots, masks and Social distancing and all. Florida's New Daily Case Rate is almost 300 per 100k population; and I know in my heart that number is really low, because the testing lines are so long that people aren't getting tested/reported. They are just hunkering down at home.....


The up-side (if there is such a thing) is that the Omicron seems to be fairly mild with a low death rate. Given it's high infection rate and equal opportunity to the vaccinated and non vaccinated alike - it should provide antibodies to virtually everyone - nature's own vaccine. Ironic that the virus may propagate it's own demise. I am no scientist and this may be wishful thinking, but it seems to align with much of what the scientific community is communicating. It's also humbling in that despite a global effort to combat this virus, nature does what nature has been doing for millions of years. Humans have done a great job to mitigate this as best we can, but mother nature is a beast.


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Posted: 01/12/22 10:23am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BC Snob wrote:

This is effective reproduction number, Rt (or Re), as defined the the links I provided earlier (see quote below) not R0.


...check. Got it.

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Posted: 01/12/22 10:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

way2roll wrote:

Humans have done a great job to mitigate this as best we can, but mother nature is a beast.


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Posted: 01/12/22 10:47am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

way2roll wrote:

and equal opportunity to the vaccinated and non vaccinated alike - .

If this was actually true the vaccine effectiveness against infection would be 0% not the reported 50% to 90% (depending upon number of doses, vaccine manufacturer, and time since last dose).

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Posted: 01/12/22 11:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Look at the graphs (from the New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health) in this recent news article

While the estimated vaccine efficacy is dependent upon the variables I listed; the numbers in the graphs in the news article do not distinguish these variables; only vaccinated vs not fully vaccinated. These numbers are easy to interpret the benefits of full vaccination against omicron

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