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BCSnob

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Posted: 02/16/21 04:54am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If you read the phase 3 clinical trials of vaccines you’ll see the end points were reduced symptoms (with confirmation that those symptoms were due to covid) and reduced hospitalization. None of the clinical trials, thus far, had end points of reduced infections (symptomatic or asymptotic) where every participant is being covid tested multiple times throughout the entire clinical trial. This is why no one can say (at this point) vaccination prevents (or even reduces) infections. Beyond reduced symptoms and hospitalization, what can be said is vaccination induced production of antibodies which blocks virus binding to the ACE2 receptor.

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Posted: 02/16/21 05:02am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here is another study on the ability of serum from recovered covid patients and vaccinated people to block new variants from binding to the ACE2 receptor; a surrogate for determining if past infections will prevent reinfection by the new variants.

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Sensitivity of infectious SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 variants to neutralizing antibodies
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.02.12.430472


SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 variants emerged respectively in United Kingdom and South Africa and spread in many countries. Here, we isolated infectious B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 strains and examined their sensitivity to anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies present in sera and nasal swabs, in comparison with a D614G reference virus. We established a novel rapid neutralization assay, based on reporter cells that become GFP+ after overnight infection. B.1.1.7 was neutralized by 79/83 sera from convalescent patients collected up to 9 months post symptoms, almost similar to D614G. There was a mean 6-fold reduction in titers and even loss of activity against B.1.351 in 40% of convalescent sera after 9 months. Early sera from 19 vaccinated individuals were almost as potent against B.1.1.7 but less efficacious against B.1.351, when compared to D614G. Nasal swabs from vaccine recipients were not neutralizing, except in individuals who were diagnosed COVID-19+ before vaccination. Thus, faster-spreading variants acquired a partial resistance to humoral immunity generated by natural infection or vaccination, mostly visible in individuals with low antibody levels.


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Posted: 02/16/21 05:29am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Deb and Ed M wrote:

BCSnob wrote:

Please don’t shoot the messenger



Is this directed towards me?? I hope not - you don't know how many times I've wanted to reach through this computer screen to hug you for providing us with FACTS.

Have fun with vaccinations - I suspect your "clients" aren't as enthused about that as most of us are about getting OUR shots....LOL!
Lately I haven’t had a lot of good news to post [emoticon]

I wrote a summary of our Vaccine clinic

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Posted: 02/16/21 11:24am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This review of published reports estimated at least 1/3 of all covid infections are asymptomatic.

The Proportion of SARS-CoV-2 Infections That Are Asymptomatic

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What seems to be overlooked is the fact that not one vaccinated individual has ended up in the hospital with moderately severe to severe COVID-19 symptoms. So called "failures" to provide protection consist of asymptomatic testing positive for the virus or very mild COVID-19 symptoms.
The above was partially excerpted from Johns Hopkins. "What seems to be overlooked" are my words

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

What seems to be overlooked is the fact that not one vaccinated individual has ended up in the hospital with moderately severe to severe COVID-19 symptoms. So called "failures" to provide protection consist of asymptomatic testing positive for the virus or very mild COVID-19 symptoms.
The above was partially excerpted from Johns Hopkins. "What seems to be overlooked" are my words



Thats great news!


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Deb and Ed M

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Posted: 02/17/21 07:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

BCSnob wrote:

Lately I haven’t had a lot of good news to post [emoticon]



Not the news we hope to hear, but at least gives us a look at how life will proceed. I'll continue to search for comfy face masks..... clearly those will be a part of our wardrobes for a while.

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The news media is full of "stories" of cascading percentages and ppm new infections of COVID19. While they are not advocating the relaxing of precautions it is encouraging to read of decreasing numbers in some areas.
I am maintaining strict quarantine, distancing and mask wearing. This will continue even after immunization. It's a toss-up down here in México if I end up with the AZ or Moderna jab.

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Here is some local good news!

Regina has dropped from 1187 active cases to 340. And I'm totally convinced that it is because I plan to buy SiO2 batteries this summer. *LOL*

Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna Side effects in Canada

TOTAL 0.062%

NON-SERIOUS 0.053%

SERIOUS 0.009%

Updated on Feb. 12 | Source : Public Health Agency of Canada


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Posted: 02/18/21 07:49am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines are effective per real-world evidence synthesized across a multi-state health system
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.02.15.21251623

This study by the Mayo Clinic evaluated patients in their multi state hospital system for the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines vs unvaccinated patients.
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Our retrospective analysis contrasts 31,069 individuals receiving at least one dose of either vaccine with 31,069 unvaccinated individuals who are propensity-matched based on demographics, location (zip code), and number of prior SARS-CoV-2 PCR tests. 8,041 individuals received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine and were at risk for infection at least 36 days after their first dose. Administration of two COVID-19 vaccine doses was 88.7% effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection (95% CI: 68.4-97.1%) with onset at least 36 days after the first dose. Furthermore, vaccinated patients who were subsequently diagnosed with COVID-19 had significantly lower 14-day hospital admission rates than propensity-matched unvaccinated COVID-19 patients (3.7% vs. 9.2%; Relative Risk: 0.4; p-value: 0.007).


The review found 263 of the 31,069 vaccinated patients had positive PCR tests and 7 of those were hospitalized. Vaccination lowered the likelihood of hospitalization if one does obtain a positive PCR test relative to the likelihood of a posted PCR test leading hospitalization in the unvaccinated population.

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