notsobigjoe
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What is an SOG kit?
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joerg68
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An SOG is a toilet ventilation fan. English explanation here:
https://www.soguk.co.uk/what-is-a-sog/
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GeoBoy
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4.)Cassette toilet- my personal opinion is that in some instances it is slightly better than a black tank, but with a blank tank you at least don't have to watch **** flow out, and that smell? It's horrendous, with all the methane and stuff I don't think you will be wheeling your cassette poop suitcase into a mcdonalds or friends house to empty
We had a cassette toilet in our 2006 Northstar Arrow and when used properly with the recommended product for odor there is none. Handling a cassette is easier that using a black hose, rinsing your black tank and the dump station.
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towpro
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thanks for the link joerg68
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jimh406
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Cassettes might be easier to empty although I can handle a dump hose without any issues, but you’d also have to empty a cassette many more times unless you have a tiny black holding tank and still have to deal with your grey water assuming you will have some. If that means hooking up the dump hose, cassette would actually be an additional step.
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joerg68
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There is no one-size-fits-all solution.
The cassette is more work.
We empty and rinse ours daily. It will last us (2 adults, full use of camper facilities) 2 days, same as the grey tank, which also gets emptied daily via a bucket.
We do not use any chemicals or SOG system. There is no odor problem where we travel. That might be different in very warm climates.
We have never had a problem finding a place to dump the cassette.
If you usually stay long in one place, or even in a full hookup campground, the cassette is probably a disadvantage.
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JimK-NY
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I love the freedom that I have with a cassette toilet. I do not empty at McDonalds or a friends house. But there are outhouses in almost every national park, national forest or on BLM lands. Even staying in campgrounds, dumping can be difficult. At Yellowstone, for example, there are no dumps at Norris, at either of the Lamar Valley campgrounds or at the big campground at Mammoth. I dump every couple of days and if I stay at one of the campgrounds mentioned above, I would stop at an outhouse during the day and dump. I can also easily dump in one of the campground rest room toilets. I do pick a time when no one else is using the facilities. The smell is minimal when using a even a small amount of chemicals but I still want to be considerate of others. I can also dump my gray water using a 5 gallon pail. When traveling alone, I typically use 1 gallon of water for a daily shower and about 2 gallons for drinking and cooking. Most of the water does end up in the grey tank, but I can still get by with dumping a pail every day or so.
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Wow, this is great discussion, I really appreciate all of the feedback.
The Northstar we are looking at is a 2020, they have changed the windows this year or last to a different manufacturer. Also, they finally updated the colour on the cabinets to something a little more progressive. I do think that Cirrus and Bunduvry are the only manufacturers who are innovating in camper design. Along with some of the very high end expedition ones that are way beyond my budget.
I guess, for me, since our current camper has no bathroom, anything that means I don't have to get out of the warm camper in the middle of winter in the middle of night to have a pee is a bonus. Going to a dump station with a black hose I've done years ago and it was tolerable but think for us, since we will be camping 99% of the time without hookups, the cassette is a better fit. Often the dumps are closed in winter, and the outlet valve would freeze.
I am going to make an offer on the Cirrus 720 and see what happens. Alternatively, there is an 820 that the dealer has already come down on, but I still feel like it's pushing the weight on our truck, and then I am back to the black tank scenario.
Stay tuned, I might be in a new camper soon!!
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Bedlam
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With our Arctic Fox's 40+ gallon tank, two of us could dry camp for 3-4 days without dumping (average about 5 gallons per person per day). Never did the black tank fill up before we filled up the gray or the fresh ran out. Now with larger tanks in our Host, we were able to travel cross country while dry camping. I also carry a gray water rolling tote and additional fresh water in my trailer for extended boon docking, but I have always been able to find dump stations when traveling.
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I get roughly 2.5 gray water tank fulls per black tank full in the AF.
4 people, 1 week, minus a few deposits at the campground bath house = full black tank in the AF.
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