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jimh425 wrote:

Slides are 250 to 500 more than a similar length limit. I don’t find that significant. It all depends on the depth and what is in the slide.

You don’t mention why you want a TC. TCs are better if you are spending the majority of your time outside. Why not a travel trailer? Are you planning on towing something?


Perhaps I'm wrong, but my understanding from reading here and elsewhere is that TC, SRW is the way to go if most miles will be on snowy/icy/curvy mountain roads. I realize both CAN be operated safely, but in OR, trailers often require chains (for good reason, IMO), and with studded 10-plys, 4wd, and a TC, I can just keep on truckin'. Plus, my right shoulder won't be as sore from holding my arm up to keep my hand close to the trailer brake the whole time. I've heard one too many stories of guys seeing their TTs next to them instead of behind them. Probably overly cautious here as I know I would chain it up and go more slowly, but I guess my impression is that the TC is just safer in the snowy/icy mountain environment.

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong. It would save me quite a bit of money and hassle to pick up a little 16-19 footer. And maybe I could just get over myself when it comes time to spend a whole 10 minutes per trip chaining up.


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My last pickup camper was a 2015 Arctic Fox 992. I would say build quality of the Arctic Fox and the Wolf Creek are the same. After buying this 2019 Wolf Creek camper it was like stepping back into the Arctic Fox camper again. They appear to be identical to me.


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As someone who has learned real fast about truck campers and advertised weights, take them with a grain of salt. Case in point, my 2012 Ascent S85R 8' 11" short bed camper has a advertised dry weight of 3000 lbs dry, and 3565 wet. Actual weight of the camper with built in 2500 Onan generator, awnings, air conditioning, 60 lbs of propane and no water is 4180 lbs. The fully wet weight with 56 gallons of water, gear, groceries and cloths, is a portly 5100 lbs. Even subtracting the 60 lbs of propane and 120 lbs for the two batteries in the camper the dry weight is still 4000 lbs a full 1000 lbs over the listed dry weight! Is every camper going to be this far off? NO! Even so, do your homework before buying any camper. We love our camper, but it belongs on a short bed dually truck PERIOD! Likewise, an Artic Fox 990 will physically sit on a long bed SRW truck, it belongs on a dually though.

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Probably overly cautious here as I know I would chain it up and go more slowly, but I guess my impression is that the TC is just safer in the snowy/icy mountain environment.


I made my living traveling snowy icy mountain roads and your 100% correct...


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Sliding-into-home wrote:

jimh425 wrote:

Slides are 250 to 500 more than a similar length limit. I don’t find that significant. It all depends on the depth and what is in the slide.

You don’t mention why you want a TC. TCs are better if you are spending the majority of your time outside. Why not a travel trailer? Are you planning on towing something?


Perhaps I'm wrong, but my understanding from reading here and elsewhere is that TC, SRW is the way to go if most miles will be on snowy/icy/curvy mountain roads. I realize both CAN be operated safely, but in OR, trailers often require chains (for good reason, IMO), and with studded 10-plys, 4wd, and a TC, I can just keep on truckin'. Plus, my right shoulder won't be as sore from holding my arm up to keep my hand close to the trailer brake the whole time. I've heard one too many stories of guys seeing their TTs next to them instead of behind them. Probably overly cautious here as I know I would chain it up and go more slowly, but I guess my impression is that the TC is just safer in the snowy/icy mountain environment.

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong. It would save me quite a bit of money and hassle to pick up a little 16-19 footer. And maybe I could just get over myself when it comes time to spend a whole 10 minutes per trip chaining up.


While it is a fact a SRW truck will have more weight per sq. inch of contact patch than a dually the traction problems are negated by the weight of a the camper. The problem with dual rear wheel trucks and slick road surfaces is when the truck is empty they will spin out much easier than the SRW trucks. I'd definitely get 4 wheel drive to negate this.

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3TV wrote:

My last pickup camper was a 2015 Arctic Fox 992. I would say build quality of the Arctic Fox and the Wolf Creek are the same. After buying this 2019 Wolf Creek camper it was like stepping back into the Arctic Fox camper again. They appear to be identical to me.


Really good to hear, thank you! It's a bummer that I can't get a generator with that model and a long box. And here I was thinking that a long box was going to give me more versatility.

Did you run your 992 on your SRW? At this point, I think I'm just curious--not really looking to justify a decision.



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As someone who has learned real fast about truck campers and advertised weights, take them with a grain of salt. Case in point, my 2012 Ascent S85R 8' 11" short bed camper has a advertised dry weight of 3000 lbs dry, and 3565 wet. Actual weight of the camper with built in 2500 Onan generator, awnings, air conditioning, 60 lbs of propane and no water is 4180 lbs. The fully wet weight with 56 gallons of water, gear, groceries and cloths, is a portly 5100 lbs. Even subtracting the 60 lbs of propane and 120 lbs for the two batteries in the camper the dry weight is still 4000 lbs a full 1000 lbs over the listed dry weight! Is every camper going to be this far off? NO! Even so, do your homework before buying any camper. We love our camper, but it belongs on a short bed dually truck PERIOD! Likewise, an Artic Fox 990 will physically sit on a long bed SRW truck, it belongs on a dually though.


Just to reiterate... I have a really solid idea about the weight based on reading a lot of posts here on this forum. I know the absolute minimum weight of the 990 is every bit of 3600lbs with zero options. That's enough to put me over my tire/loading sticker before adding any humans, gear, or provisions. C'est la vie. I think I've moved on from the 990, even though people do it and live to tell the tale.

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While it is a fact a SRW truck will have more weight per sq. inch of contact patch than a dually the traction problems are negated by the weight of a the camper. The problem with dual rear wheel trucks and slick road surfaces is when the truck is empty they will spin out much easier than the SRW trucks. I'd definitely get 4 wheel drive to negate this.


I'm really wishing I thought a whole lot more about this very logical point before buying a brand new SRW. Anyone out there with a new 450 who wishes they got the SRW? Ha!

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Sliding-into-home wrote:

3TV wrote:

My last pickup camper was a 2015 Arctic Fox 992. I would say build quality of the Arctic Fox and the Wolf Creek are the same. After buying this 2019 Wolf Creek camper it was like stepping back into the Arctic Fox camper again. They appear to be identical to me.


Really good to hear, thank you! It's a bummer that I can't get a generator with that model and a long box. And here I was thinking that a long box was going to give me more versatility.

Did you run your 992 on your SRW? At this point, I think I'm just curious--not really looking to justify a decision.


No, I used that camper on a Ram 3500 dually. It felt like a heavy camper on the dually, even more than this Wolf Creek camper on a single rear wheel truck does. After having done the big camper on a dually truck routine, I am a firm believer in the less is more philosophy when it comes to truck campers.

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The problem with dual rear wheel trucks and slick road surfaces is when the truck is empty they will spin out much easier than the SRW trucks.


Everyone keeps saying this but in my experience it is just the opposite..Last year I put it to the test with my DRW and my sons HD-2500 and it was just the opposite,the DRW got more traction than the SRW in 2WD..

The roads were semi plowed so we did both,freshly plowed and icy then onto the 10" of fresh snow over ice...Surprised my son but I already new this from my experiences in the mountains logging..

Of course tires are everything as well as the driver..

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3TV wrote:

After having done the big camper on a dually truck routine, I am a firm believer in the less is more philosophy when it comes to truck campers.


Preach on! I was just reaching for the phone to see if my dealer would swap me out to a DRW, and you're helping me avoid rushing into a decision I might regret.

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