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gmw photos wrote:
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But other folks may in fact find it far more affordable to simply spend $500 to $1000 improving and modifying what they already have.
To those who think that intelligent mods to a given truck does not increase it's capabilities, well ok. Some folks just can't be convinced.
Of course you can improve it. but $1000.00 ain't gonna raise the payload of the truck. Towing capacity can easily be raised with lower rear gears. But even that is over $1000, and your payload will still be the same. Heavier tires will make you feel better, and also be near 1K, but your payload won't change. Air bags or springs will make the suspension stiffer, but your payload will be the same. Gonna be much, much more to raise the payload. So much more that another truck would be less expensive.
So called 1/2 ton trucks (is there really such a thing anymore?) make GREAT tow vehicles. IF you stay within their limits. I like 5ers. and I could do enough mods to make my 150 hold the pin weight. Would it change the GVWR to handle the extra payload.? No. At some point you are just throwing money at a problem with no real gain.
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That about sums it up, Terry. I realize that many already have the tow vehicle and are trying to make what they want in a trailer to work with it. Like most things, not the best approach. That is why determining what one wants in a travel trailer or 5th wheel and THEN getting an appropriate tow vehicle that will COMFORTABLY tow the unit safely WITHIN the limits of the TV.
But it does boggle the mind, when one can get a substantially more capable stock 3/4 ton for almost the same price, and many times even less price, off the lot than the most spec'd up 1/2 ton, why would anyone want to get the 1/2 ton if they are going to be towing frequently, and try to make it into something that it isn't.
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Funny, but most of the trucks I see upside down in the median with trailer pieces strewn about are 1 ton duallys.
That and 18 wheelers.
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totaldla wrote:Funny, but most of the trucks I see upside down in the median with trailer pieces strewn about are 1 ton duallys.
That and 18 wheelers.
How many states and how many miles do you travel over the course of an average year?
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Terryallan wrote:gmw photos wrote:
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But other folks may in fact find it far more affordable to simply spend $500 to $1000 improving and modifying what they already have.
To those who think that intelligent mods to a given truck does not increase it's capabilities, well ok. Some folks just can't be convinced.
Of course you can improve it. but $1000.00 ain't gonna raise the payload of the truck. Towing capacity can easily be raised with lower rear gears. But even that is over $1000, and your payload will still be the same. Heavier tires will make you feel better, and also be near 1K, but your payload won't change. Air bags or springs will make the suspension stiffer, but your payload will be the same. Gonna be much, much more to raise the payload. So much more that another truck would be less expensive.
So called 1/2 ton trucks (is there really such a thing anymore?) make GREAT tow vehicles. IF you stay within their limits. I like 5ers. and I could do enough mods to make my 150 hold the pin weight. Would it change the GVWR to handle the extra payload.? No. At some point you are just throwing money at a problem with no real gain.
You still don't know what "payload" is. I suspect you think there is some sort of manufacturer magic involved. Fortunately for the OP there is an entire industry devoted to beefing up vehicles for towing.
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Copperhead wrote:totaldla wrote:Funny, but most of the trucks I see upside down in the median with trailer pieces strewn about are 1 ton duallys.
That and 18 wheelers.
How many states and how many miles do you travel over the course of an average year?
And that matters how? Do you know? Could you know?
Have you been annointed forum high priest? Are you an insurance ajuster or accident investigator?
What makes your observation any different from mine? Do you have a source of data showing what size pickup is involved most in trailoring accidents and loading conditions?
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totaldla wrote:Terryallan wrote:gmw photos wrote:
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But other folks may in fact find it far more affordable to simply spend $500 to $1000 improving and modifying what they already have.
To those who think that intelligent mods to a given truck does not increase it's capabilities, well ok. Some folks just can't be convinced.
Of course you can improve it. but $1000.00 ain't gonna raise the payload of the truck. Towing capacity can easily be raised with lower rear gears. But even that is over $1000, and your payload will still be the same. Heavier tires will make you feel better, and also be near 1K, but your payload won't change. Air bags or springs will make the suspension stiffer, but your payload will be the same. Gonna be much, much more to raise the payload. So much more that another truck would be less expensive.
So called 1/2 ton trucks (is there really such a thing anymore?) make GREAT tow vehicles. IF you stay within their limits. I like 5ers. and I could do enough mods to make my 150 hold the pin weight. Would it change the GVWR to handle the extra payload.? No. At some point you are just throwing money at a problem with no real gain.
You still don't know what "payload" is. I suspect you think there is some sort of manufacturer magic involved. Fortunately for the OP there is an entire industry devoted to beefing up vehicles for towing.
Actually? I do. Again, the question is. Do you. Pay load is the weight a truck can carry AFTER you subtract it's weight from the GVWR. And there is nothing you can do aside from rebuilding the vehicle, To change that. And if you are going to spend thousands rebuilding, replacing and beefing up the vehicle. Cheaper to get the correct vehicle in the first place, or get a trailer inside the limits of the one you have.
And do remember. Payload has nothing to do with towing. Payload is only about what the truck can safely haul, and stop. As for that magic the manufacturers do. They do seem to spend a lot money on engineers, and science to come up with the ratings. I see it every day. I much more trust them than some guy that advocates hauling above the trucks rating.
And that's ok. Go ahead and tow, haul over the limit. It's your right to be wrong. Just don't endanger others with your uneducated opinion.
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totaldla wrote:Copperhead wrote:totaldla wrote:Funny, but most of the trucks I see upside down in the median with trailer pieces strewn about are 1 ton duallys.
That and 18 wheelers.
How many states and how many miles do you travel over the course of an average year?
And that matters how? Do you know? Could you know?
Have you been annointed forum high priest? Are you an insurance ajuster or accident investigator?
What makes your observation any different from mine? Do you have a source of data showing what size pickup is involved most in trailoring accidents and loading conditions?
Yes on both counts. It matters because perspective is increased with expanded experience. And yes to number of miles. I average 135,000 driven miles a year over a 19 states area, at least for the last 30 years. I drove commercially for 10 years (year round) in Alaska on top of that. And i have been directly involved in some safety analysis and resolution events. More so in the 1990's. And on the data point, if one truly want, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has all the data one could want to sift thru. Like one point, maybe not directly related, that autos and pickups are at fault 80% of the time in accidents involving heavy commercial trucks. Given that light vehicle operators have far less experience and common sense in operating vehicles, especially towing trailers, it seems kind of stupid to then exceed sound limitation of the equipment.
The fact that you feel to demean someone else with comments about anointed as high priest exhibits a bigger problem on your part than the one being discussed. Amazing how when folks have little to base an argument on, they resort to demeaning their opposition. I suppose the climate we live in now. Are you running for political office?
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Actually it's the class eight trucks that are over represented in the crash and fatality statistics compared to the number registered vehicles.
So does that imply that class eight trucks have inadequate payload capacity.
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Copperhead wrote:Amazing how when folks have little to base an argument on, they resort to demeaning their opposition. I suppose the climate we live in now. Are you running for political office?
totaldla for President - yeah! ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink")
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