Terryallan

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totaldla wrote: Terryallan wrote: Pay load is the weight a truck can carry AFTER you subtract it's weight from the GVWR. And there is nothing you can do aside from rebuilding the vehicle, To change that
HAHAHAHAHA! Classic ignorance.
Your definition is based on the showroom stickers - and you don't understand what went into the numbers. You don't seem to get that the numbers are based on components - and you can change components to imrpove numbers.
As I said earlier, there is an entire industry dedicated to improving towing capability. They exist as proof that it is cheaper to upgrade components on a truck you own vs buying $omething different.
Knew you didn't know, and now you proved it![biggrin [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif) ![rolleyes [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/rolleyes.gif) ![doh [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif)
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roaming_free

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troubledwaters wrote: roaming_free wrote:
I don't want to spend a ton of money upgrading this 1500 because in the event of an accident the sticker will determine whether the law and insurance company will find me as overloaded. The only thing is you have one misconception, the law will never find you overloaded; unless you have more than 20,000 lbs on one axle.
Don't confuse the law with manufacturer's ratings. Two different ball games.
Interesting. It was a Police Officer that told me this years ago. I am still considering the 3/4 ton, as it is two years newer, a better trim level, and has more features than my 2013.
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troubledwaters

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roaming_free wrote: troubledwaters wrote: roaming_free wrote:
I don't want to spend a ton of money upgrading this 1500 because in the event of an accident the sticker will determine whether the law and insurance company will find me as overloaded. The only thing is you have one misconception, the law will never find you overloaded; unless you have more than 20,000 lbs on one axle.
Don't confuse the law with manufacturer's ratings. Two different ball games.
Interesting. It was a Police Officer that told me this years ago. I am still considering the 3/4 ton, as it is two years newer, a better trim level, and has more features than my 2013. In some states you have to have a license plate that declares a GVW. You can be fined for exceeding that license plate rating. Maybe that is what the police officer was referring to. However, the only thing you need to do to obtain a higher GVW license plate, is pay a higher fee. You can obtain a 8 ton license plate for a 4 ton GVWR pickup as long as you pay the pertinent fee.
There is no law regulating exceeding the manufacturer's ratings.
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drsteve

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Payload capacity and towing capability are two different things.
I used to tow a 30' TT with a high top conversion van. Those things have little in the way of payload left after the upfitter installs luxury seats, extra interior trim, and a tall fiberglass roof. Tire and suspension upgrades improved the towing ability, but the excess payload when carrying the family and all their stuff eventually smoked the stock transmission.
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Copperhead

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There may not be a “law” about exceeding OEM ratings, but if there is an issue where someone is injured or killed and it is determined that those ratings were exceeded, a “lawyer” from the law firm of Burnum and Run will will likely make you feel like you just got a barbed wire enema.
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roaming_free

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so a bummer, the payload on their site was considerably higher at 3190 than the 2748 on the sticker. that is a 440 lb difference. That is still a lot more than what i have in my 1500, but that could have made a difference in carrying more payload with the camper hooked up.
Still running my options, and looking up all the RPO codes.
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wing_zealot

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Copperhead wrote: There may not be a “law” about exceeding OEM ratings, but if there is an issue where someone is injured or killed and it is determined that those ratings were exceeded, a “lawyer” from the law firm of Burnum and Run will will likely make you feel like you just got a barbed wire enema. Exactly how is that lawyer going to determine how much that trailer weighed? Once that trailer leaves the scene there is no proof of anything.
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roaming_free

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I made an acceptable agreement on the 2500, I believe that this settles all of my concerns.
Thank you everyone for your help.
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legolas

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SoundGuy wrote: roaming_free wrote: This year we are upgrading our camper, and I just acquired a used truck as well.
My camper is 7250 dry, 8600 gvwr, with a tongue of 900 lbs.
I will be pulling it with a 2013 Silverado 1500 that has the following (in no particular order):
GU6 3:42 rear axle
K5L Heavy-Duty Trailering Package
KC4 COOLING HEAVY DUTY ENG OIL
G80 Eaton G80 locking rear differential
C5W GVW RATING 7,000 LBS
KNP Cooling, external transmission oil cooler
JL4 StabiliTrak, stability control system
MYC Transmission, 6-speed automatic
VR4 TRAILER HITCH WEIGHT DISTRIBUTING PLATFORM
Z82 Trailering Provisions HD
JF3 BRAKE VAC POWER, 17 DISC/DRUM, W/ABS, 7,000 LBS
Is there anything else that anyone thinks that I may not be considering?
WAY too much trailer for a 1/2 ton Silvy, especially with a 3.42 axle ratio. ![eek [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/eek.gif) I've been towing since 2006 with GMs ubiquitous 5.3L V8 coupled to a 3.42 axle, the first 2 having the older wide ratio 4-spd transmission, my current 2012 having the newer narrow ratio 6-spd. Our current trailer averages ~ 4800 lbs loaded & ready to camp, our previous Spree ~ 5500 lbs, but I wouldn't tow anything weighing any more than ~ 6000 lbs fully loaded with this truck. With a GVWR of 8600 lbs you could easily be running a gross tongue weight of 1100 to 1200 lbs of gross tongue weight, leaving very little payload capacity to account for the weight of everyone and all cargo in the truck when you're towing. ![frown [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/frown.gif) You need a properly equipped 3/4 ton to tow a trailer this size.
Yep, too much trailer for a half ton imho
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legolas

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Terryallan wrote: Very simply put. You need more truck. Or you need a much lighter TT. Your choice. But you ain't got enough truck for that trailer. and remember. the weight of the passengers, and cargo in the truck reduces the towing capacity.
I also don't believe you are taking the pay load into account. 7000lb GVWR is going to leave you with a payload in the 1400lb range. A TT that starts with a 900lb tongue weight will have a 1200lb tongue weight very quickly. Guess what. your payload is gone. you don't have any left for the family, and hitch.
In short. IF you take 2 vehicles, don't load anything into the truck, except YOU. and load very little into the TT. You might have a small chance of staying in your Truck's capacities. A very small chance
You need more truck, and NO 3.42 is NOT a towing gear. Much too high. And while you are at it. You better check the hitch capacity. 1200lb, Even 1000lbs may be heavier that a 1500lb stock hitch can carry
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