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Rwake901

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Posted: 10/26/17 01:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

WOW I just looked at this post for the first time. You’ve got a long road ahead of you rebuilding your RV and a lot more time and energy than I have. lol Good luck with it. I definitely would have quit a long time ago.

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fulltimin wrote:

oyvind wrote:

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I figure, if I can get this insulated properly, there shouldn't be a need for a 13,500 btu ac overhead. That would cut ac usage by a considerable amount, as well as eliminate a huge hole in the roof. After all, we are only looking at 142.5 sq ft, and less than 1000 cubic ft.

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My plan exactly.


One of the things I discovered this summer was, once all the insulation was removed from the ceiling, walls, and floor, it was actually MUCH cooler, and easier to keep cool, even during the hot, sunny days.

That kind of twisted my thinking a little, and I did do some more research on insulation.

Turns out, that, with a wall or ceiling/roof with no air space toward the outside, that the entire wall will eventually heat up, and radiate heat or cold directly through the wall or roof.

Adding an airspace just under the outside skin, with ventilation, now removes the radiation effect.

I used to notice that with the roof in tact, when the sun was on it, I could just feel the heat radiating off of the inside of the ceiling. Once the insulation was gone, there was some radiating, but nothing like it was with the insulation up there. Go figure.

When I rebuilt the TT I wanted to keep the weight down as well as make it less apt hold water if it ever did leak again. With that in mind I used Reflectix insulation. Everything I read on it said you basically doubled your insulation value if you left an air gap. In order to get that air gap I cut strips of wood so I could install the Reflectix centered on the 2x2s.

The first trip we made with it was an elk hunt in Colorado. We took a small electric heater as back up as I had no idea how hard it would be to heat - would the furnace keep up? Many nights it dropped into the low 20s, the electric heater alone took care of most of our heat requirements. I was impressed.

You may want to look into doing something along the same lines. It's cheap, light, easy to install, and based on what we saw I'd also say it was effective.


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When I rebuilt the TT I wanted to keep the weight down as well as make it less apt hold water if it ever did leak again. With that in mind I used Reflectix insulation. Everything I read on it said you basically doubled your insulation value if you left an air gap. In order to get that air gap I cut strips of wood so I could install the Reflectix centered on the 2x2s.

The first trip we made with it was an elk hunt in Colorado. We took a small electric heater as back up as I had no idea how hard it would be to heat - would the furnace keep up? Many nights it dropped into the low 20s, the electric heater alone took care of most of our heat requirements. I was impressed.

You may want to look into doing something along the same lines. It's cheap, light, easy to install, and based on what we saw I'd also say it was effective.


Are you saying that the only insulation you put in was Reflectix, centered in the wall and roof with close to a 3/4" air space on each side of the insulation?


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Rwake901 wrote:

WOW I just looked at this post for the first time. You’ve got a long road ahead of you rebuilding your RV and a lot more time and energy than I have. lol Good luck with it. I definitely would have quit a long time ago.



The good news is, there is only so much stuff you can take off. After that, it has to be going back together... LOL.

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Are you saying that the only insulation you put in was Reflectix, centered in the wall and roof with close to a 3/4" air space on each side of the insulation?


In the front part that is correct. I can post a picture when I get back to my PC, or go back to the link I posted when this project first started.

Reflectix doesn't have a real high R value by itself, but the thermal break and air gap it creates does a nice job.

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Posted: 10/26/17 07:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Onward we go.....

The side the rv shows that the fiberglass is actually seamed. It has a top part which is a little over 4' high, and then the seam, which looks like Fleetwood used a double sided tape to hold them together. It is still stuck together, very well.

In this pic, the yellow arrow shows where the seam is, and the green circles show the ends of it. The other side of the rv, the seam runs from front to rear, but this side has the door in it, so the bottom half of the ribbed fiberglass runs from the front to the door, and then from the door to the rear.


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Posted: 10/26/17 07:42pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

And here we have the close up, that shows the seam.


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So, I removed that portion of the fiberglass, to gain access to the outside, and get a good look at it.

And it was not good. This is why I was waiting on the steel to arrive, because I figured this is what I would find.

The red area, is where the screws from the storage door frame were screwed into. Once I saw those screws break off, trying to remove them, I was pretty sure, this wouldn't be pretty.


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And then of course, we have the back side of the fiberglass panel.


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This area is over the right front wheel, and had been undisturbed by me until today.

This is also not a real pretty sight.


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