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Posted By: bobsallyh on 04/29/18 03:43pm

And "Paw", we all know that the ink is never dry in the FRANCECAR rulebook, as the first one was drawn in the sand on the beach.


Posted By: thomasmnile on 04/29/18 06:05pm

Watched the closing laps, from the Big One on. Looked like the 48 got some air packed into the rear end and he just lost the handle. Took out some contenders; but have to give Logano his due. The kid seems to have the draft figured out, and if not mistaken, Penske cars have won 5 of the last 10 plate races.


Posted By: TxGearhead on 04/29/18 06:40pm

PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:

It is difficult to know the exact allowances.

The NASCAR rule book is only available to registered car owners, is a few thousand pages, and costs over $1,000. And allowances for different for different tracks.

I would assume the offsets are minimal on road courses, but as I mentioned - driver preference has a lot to do with settings.

Two drivers with identical cars with identical setups will usually perform differently.

And as we’ve seen in the first stage of the race - the aggressive setups that helped Harvick and Kurt get on the front row in qualifying are apparently a dis advantage in race traffic.


I'm thinking NASCAR pinched down on how much axle offset, skew, is allowed. A few years ago it was crazy, cars looked like crabs running down the straights.


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Posted By: thomasmnile on 04/30/18 06:49am

ESPN Article From 5/2017


Ironically, 'skew' is what 'encumbered' Logano's win at Richmond a year ago. It was a funny sight, cars 'crabbing' their way around the track. Reminded me of an aerial ladder truck I drove in my fire service days. The trailing rear axle (as I recall) would skew left or right depending on steering wheel input to tighten up the turning radius of the rig, then return to a neutral position as the truck straightened but I wasn't driving it like a bat out of hell...........[emoticon]


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Posted By: TxGearhead on 05/01/18 06:09pm

Sometimes I don't quite understand what I see. But I have been told I'm overthinking it.
So when we're talking about offset and skewed, what I'm imagining is the axle is sitting sideways. In other words it's closer to the front of the car on one side as opposed to the other. If that's so, is the engine and driveline skewed? I can't imagine the engine and transmission being square in the frame and the driveshaft and u-joints having to compensate for the axle not being perpendicular to the driveline.
Help me out here fellas....


Posted By: PawPaw_n_Gram on 05/01/18 08:03pm

Offsets to handle specific conditions are common and part of the purpose of a u-joint is to allow for less than perfect alignment. Even our automobile and trucks have enough flex in the suspension to allow movement. We can see that after enough miles in tire wear patterns.

The components of the NASCAR can handle the offsets. The time needed to run a race is short enough that wear and stress doesn’t present a problem.

During one of the slow segments of Sunday’s race one of the announcers mentioned that NASCAR had removed the ability of the driver to adjust the track bar while on the track racing. Because the drivers were using that adjustable item to change the movement of the axles.

While the original purpose of the Pan-hard bar was to minimize lateral movement of the axles, race car builders quickly realized adjusting the length and mounting is a great way to change the normal position of the axles.


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Posted By: bucky on 05/02/18 05:12am

As I understand it the drivers input was only removed for Daytona and Talledega.
Those crew chiefs are some smart guys, give them an inch and they'll take a race.


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Posted By: PawPaw_n_Gram on 05/02/18 07:41am

When one gets involved in racing on a detail level, it is absolutely amazing the impact small changes can have on performance, even on short tracks and 'low dollar' racing.

On the NASCAR Cup level even the worst car out there is a tens of thousands of dollars precision machine. And the worst driver is still an incredibly talented individual who could totally dominate a regional series or short track.

I mean, does one or two pounds of air pressure change in one or two tires make that much difference? It apparently does because we see it every race. A few hundredths of an inch in something can take a car from a last place dog to a top ten contender.

Heck, I know I can't drive a race car well even on a local level. I certainly can't tell the difference between 5 pounds of air pressure.

Many short track cars have valve adapters called 'bleeders'. These are built so that if the air pressure in the tire rises to a certain level when the tire heats up on the track, the excess pressure bleeds off. One popular kit includes six bleeders and a pressure adjustment tool to set them for different pressures. The pressure can be adjusted in one or two pound increments from 3 to 38 PSI. About $250.

I've seen some sprint car guys with 10 sets of quick change bleeders set at one pound differences. $50 sets - $500 worth of bleeders - $750 invested in the system. Running for $1,000 to win a 20 lap race.

Imagine the equipment Cup level cars have where they can change the tire pressure in 1/2 PSI increments. I certainly don't own a tire gauge with that level of precision.


Posted By: FlatBroke on 05/02/18 10:23am

Gallagher suspended indefinitely after first win. He was the one of the happiest winner I’ve seen. Too bad he threw it away.
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