69avion wrote:
Here are some pictures of my stabilzer jacks. I made mounts that keep them high so that I don't lose ground clearance.
Here are some pictures of my stabilzer jacks. I made mounts that keep them high so that I don't lose ground clearance.
I tell you, that is very nice. I mean very very nice. It looks like it should be a sticky on the forum site. Does anyone else have anything like this?
69 Avion wrote:
Here are some pictures of my stabilzer jacks. I made mounts that keep them high so that I don't lose ground clearance.
Here are some pictures of my stabilzer jacks. I made mounts that keep them high so that I don't lose ground clearance.
Nice stabilizer, but you really need a cordless drill, a socket and one of these:
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67avion wrote:
I tell you, that is very nice. I mean very very nice. It looks like it should be a sticky on the forum site. Does anyone else have anything like this?
69avion wrote:
Here are some pictures of my stabilzer jacks. I made mounts that keep them high so that I don't lose ground clearance.
Here are some pictures of my stabilzer jacks. I made mounts that keep them high so that I don't lose ground clearance.
I tell you, that is very nice. I mean very very nice. It looks like it should be a sticky on the forum site. Does anyone else have anything like this?
These are BAL stabilizers used for trailers , would not do much for a TC as they are not meant to be weight bearing , just stabilizing . Standard issue on Airstreams and other TT . They are good for this application because the TC is on a trailer and not a truck .
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Thanks for the pics of the antenna . How does that square tube attach to the round tube on the TC ?
69 Avion wrote:
The Avion campers only had a Black Water tank. I think that they are about 8 gallons or so.
Gray Water tanks were not required until around 1974.
rfuerst911sc wrote:
Very nice improvement on that holding tank. So from the factory the Avion just has one holding tank is that correct ? I have not torn into mine yet but like the idea of a gray and black tank.
Very nice improvement on that holding tank. So from the factory the Avion just has one holding tank is that correct ? I have not torn into mine yet but like the idea of a gray and black tank.
The Avion campers only had a Black Water tank. I think that they are about 8 gallons or so.
Gray Water tanks were not required until around 1974.
Late 74, my KIT has a combined tank, no dedicated grey water tank.
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I'm keeping the antenna in case I ever decide to use it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
Garry, as far as the weight of the camper, I'm going to weigh mine when I'm done but it will be on the trailer so I won't know for sure what the camper weighs by itself.
If the factory specs were correct, I'll bet that I added around 100 pounds so it would be 2,350# instead of the 2,250#. I'm going off of memory on the base empty weight of 2,250#, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I kept track of the weight on most the additions.
Gray water tank is 35.8#
The new Black Water tank is only about a 9# difference once I took the extra wood out (2-3/4" worth of excess wood).
The 40 gallon water tank is about 3# heavier than the old 30 gallon tank.
The new refrigerator is about 15# heavier than the old one.
The steel brackets I built throughout are about 30# including all the stainless steel straps and the table and bed (water tank) reinforcement.
Some things that are lighter:
Toilet went from china to plastic.
Shurflo Revolution water pump is less weight than that large original pump.
Copper LP pipe is lighter than galvanized.
The new water heater doesn't have a sheet metal housing around it.
Most of the things that I changed, I didn't weigh because they should be about the same weight as the parts that they replaced.
I'm sure that I'm missing some items but the additional weight on the camper itself is about 100# not subtacting the lighter items.
Also, I added some items to the trailer (most folks would add to the truck) that are significant.
Rear bumper: approx. 85#
Rear aluminum step: approx. 21#
Rear stabilizer jacks and mounts: approx. 30#
Two additional 16 gallon water tanks: approx 12# plus 20# for mount
20 gallon gas tank and pump: approx: 40#
3 burner Camp Chef stove: approx. 50#
Two 30# LP tanks: approx. 60#
With just these additions, (most of which would not be on a truck) I added 318#.
The wet weight of the camper itself I added only 10 gallons of water which is 83.3# plus the approx. 100# I added to the dry weight.
When I add the additional 60# of LP the additional 32 gallons of water things start adding up.
I think that my trailer weighs under 2,000# empty and if I add an advertised wet weight of 2,550# for the original Avion C-11 camper plus 100# for additions and 83.3# for extra water I am at approx. 2750. That should be close.
Trailer should be around 2000# + 2750 for camper (wet) = 4750
add 350# (318 rounded up) for add ons on trailer = 5100
add 60# of LP and 267# of water and 120# for 20 gallons of gas and I am at approx. 5550#.
add 450# of "stuff" = 6000#
add 600# for quad = 6600# and the trailer is rated for 7000#
I am estimating everything on the high side so I have plenty of margin of safety, besides about 800+ pounds of that trailer will be on the tongue.
To get back to the camper weight, my guesstimate is that the camper will weigh under 3000# wet and not much more with the "stuff" in it.
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JoeChiOhki wrote:
Late 74, my KIT has a combined tank, no dedicated grey water tank.
69 Avion wrote:
The Avion campers only had a Black Water tank. I think that they are about 8 gallons or so.
Gray Water tanks were not required until around 1974.
rfuerst911sc wrote:
Very nice improvement on that holding tank. So from the factory the Avion just has one holding tank is that correct ? I have not torn into mine yet but like the idea of a gray and black tank.
Very nice improvement on that holding tank. So from the factory the Avion just has one holding tank is that correct ? I have not torn into mine yet but like the idea of a gray and black tank.
The Avion campers only had a Black Water tank. I think that they are about 8 gallons or so.
Gray Water tanks were not required until around 1974.
Late 74, my KIT has a combined tank, no dedicated grey water tank.
I think ticki was correct, I think the original Avion C-11 black water tank is probably 12 gallons. I never personally measured mine, but I know that my new one is around 18 gallons. The new black water tank is 3-1/2" wider on the top and 1" higher.
* This post was edited 08/09/12 07:21pm by 69 Avion *
ticki2 wrote:
69 Avion
Thanks for the pics of the antenna . How does that square tube attach to the round tube on the TC ?
69 Avion
Thanks for the pics of the antenna . How does that square tube attach to the round tube on the TC ?
As I remember, I think it attaches with the square assembly over the round tube. I may have pictures of the camper before I took it apart.
The question is, do I have pictures of the antenna? I know that I didn't pay much attention to it since I didn't plan on reusing it.
garryk6 wrote:
Has anyone else weighed their completed Avion TC to see how much their repairs and mods have affected the weight?
Maoist of the structural changes (ie floor and tub) were done when I bought my C10. But my wet, ready to camp weight is around 2500 to 2600 lbs. It seams heavy for a C10, but it is heavy duty now, and survived the Denali Highway, so I'm not complaining,just curious after 40+ years of changes, how light or heavy are the other Avions?
Thanks,
Garry in Kodiak
Has anyone else weighed their completed Avion TC to see how much their repairs and mods have affected the weight?
Maoist of the structural changes (ie floor and tub) were done when I bought my C10. But my wet, ready to camp weight is around 2500 to 2600 lbs. It seams heavy for a C10, but it is heavy duty now, and survived the Denali Highway, so I'm not complaining,just curious after 40+ years of changes, how light or heavy are the other Avions?
Thanks,
Garry in Kodiak
Garry , I have weighed mine several times at the local Sand & Gravel but the results of the empty truck have varied each time , so I am questioning it's accuracy . It came out to 3000# wet and ready to go for the camper the last time . Last week I had the truck weighed at a CAT scale and will have it weighed again with camper in 2 weeks . I will report back. Advertised dry weight for C-10 is 1850# and for C-11 is 2150# .