AO_hitech
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Fezziwig wrote:The atmospheric air is about 70% Nitrogen (at STP), but the 30% is little stuff like Oxygen that leaks easily. So your tires will lose 30% pretty quickly.
Let's see:
If you drive 1000 miles at 10 mpg you'll use about 100 gallons. At $4 a gallon, that's $400.
So, to recoup $20 you only need to save 5%.
Doesn't seem that hard.
It just doesn't leak out that fast. And my car gets WAY more than 10 mpg. The MH doesn't, but then it takes all year to drive a 1000 miles anymore. And, yes, I've had nitrogen in the tires before. Couldn't tell the difference.
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MFinCA wrote:If I was appointed King of the USA and had all power to make decisions...Everyone there is now a citizen of The United States of North America.
I think the only problem would be convincing Mexico and Canada (esp. the respective governments) to do that.
But hey, it's a better idea than most. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink")
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Fezziwig wrote:AO_hitech wrote:
Um, the air I use to fill up my tires is mostly nitrogen, and it doesn't cost much (a few pennies at most). I get it from the air compressor in my garage. Unless you plan on running at high speeds you'll never notice the difference. You'll never save $20 worth of fuel.
The atmospheric air is about 70% Nitrogen (at STP), but the 30% is little stuff like Oxygen that leaks easily. So your tires will lose 30% pretty quickly.
Let's see:
If you drive 1000 miles at 10 mpg you'll use about 100 gallons. At $4 a gallon, that's $400.
So, to recoup $20 you only need to save 5%.
Doesn't seem that hard.
Sorry Fezziwig.....
Air is 79% Nitrogen, 20.7% oxygen and .3% several other gases. Hey, I'm a Trimix Diver....Helium is GREAT!
Nitrogen filled tires as a practical day to day application is a joke and I'll gladly fill your tires for $20 a pop.
Solar, Photovoltaic Cells are manufactured and the waste is Highly toxic, that is the reason China is the leader in Manufacturing Solar Cells. Passive Solar, that is heating water to either heat your house, or in a big scale, heating water to steam and running a turbine generator is good, but so far have not yielded RELIABLE, DEPENDABLE sources of Electricity.
Your Hydrogen dream is a FAR way off, as Hydrogen generating stations are not cheap enough to have in your own backyard yet, and add the cost of a new car to that, 40 years will pass before we have enough in circulation to be effective.
Funny thing about Toyota Prius's......My brother is a car dealer, he has taken in 6 prius's in trades in the last 3 months, people are going upside down in a new car, getting less mileage(he is selling Oldsmobile Alleros? like hotcakes......Why, $9000 to replace a Highly toxic battery system......
I would'nt mind a Ford Escape Hybrid though, after all, that is where Toyota got the Technolgy for the Prius...
Drilling, refining, Clean Coal, Bio(Non food), Solar, Wind and Nuclear, as well as some tidal and hydro are what we need. NOW
Yes, we lease the groud that the Oil is pumped out of to the Drilling Companies, BUT we get market price for that oil coming out of the ground, yes, we sell sell we drill here on the foreign market, but that oil adds to the supply.
Yes, we conserved and yet no price drop at the pump, Why? China's consumption is growing at a rate of 18% per annum......
Why is Russia trying to buy all the oil they can get their hands on?
making sure THEY have a supply.
We are ignorant NOT to expand ALL our energy sources.
That is, unless your goal is "CARBON FREE" global warming agenda, if so, you will NEVER grasp the idea that we will NEED Oil for at least the next 30+ years...........
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AO_hitech wrote:MFinCA wrote:If I was appointed King of the USA and had all power to make decisions...Everyone there is now a citizen of The United States of North America.
I think the only problem would be convincing Mexico and Canada (esp. the respective governments) to do that.
But hey, it's a better idea than most.
Perhaps you would have beter luck convincing everyone east of the Mississippi to join Canada and the westerners to join Mexico.
Life is short,Death is long,
Take a vacation.
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mrjimboalaska
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Oh fezzi,
might I add that your 7% increase in refining number is skewwed. Refineries damaged in katrina have come back online this year.
Speculation has a part to play in prices as well, and it should to a degree.
The speculators saw that no major drilling in the future forcast would mean supply will tighten. Bush lifts the Executive Order banning offshore drilling and we see a $15-20/barrel drop in price. They see that >70% of Americans favor MORE DOMESTIC drilling and refining, and the numbers are still dropping, and will slowly drop, UNTIL, and mark my word on this, a certain Party gets majority power in our legislative branch of Government, and maybe control of the Executive Branch as well. Now that party really favors NO expansion of our energy sources, NONE, and our energy crunch will REALLY BE BAD. I truely see Oil going to $200 + a barrel by mid year NEXT YEAR if that happens. That should bode well for our Economy eh?
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Fezziwig wrote:topflite51 wrote:... We need to DRILL, DRILL and DO ANYTHING ELSE TO INCREASE OUR DOMESTIC SUPPLY. Not increasing our domestic supply is saying We Will Bend Over To Our Suppliers and take it anyway they want us to. That may be in the Senator's and some others best interest, but it certainly is not in mine or most American's. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif "doh")
Drilling is quite hopeless.
Even if we drilled OCS and ANWR it would be a drop in the bucket. For one thing, oil is fungible, so we would only get about 30% of the oil we drill. So 70% would benefit foreigners (can you say C-h-i-n-e-s-e?). Drilling is not hopeless. What is hopeless is those people who are so hung up on wind and solar. Did you see where I wrote DO ANYTHING ELSE TO INCREASE OUR DOMESTIC SUPPLY? Evidently not. We need oil. The trucking industry needs it. Just how are you going to deliver the goods, like food, to America without it. Solar and wind only go so far. Are you planning on extremely long drop cords? The proposal of 8100 sq mile solar generation unit in Nevada is laughable at best, did you know we do have overcast days here? When that happens, what is going to make up the shortfall. Similar problems exist with wind, are you going to tell everyone to turn everything off that is electrical when there is no sun or wind? I know store it in battery packs. Wonder how many Trojan 6 volt's that will require? The last I heard, there are no power generation facilities in the U.S. using oil. We have hydro, coal, nuclear and natural gas but no oil, could be wrong, just don't know where it is. So generating electricity with solar and wind does not eliminate the need for oil. Just as we should expand solar and wind generation, we should expand coal and nuclear generation. But the bottom line is we need to expand our Domestic Oil Supply. If for no other reason than for our National Security. I see no way you can move a 70 ton tank with wind or solar. Of course, you could add a 30 ton battery.
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Sea Dog wrote:
Perhaps you would have beter luck convincing everyone east of the Mississippi to join Canada and the westerners to join Mexico.
You got it backwards, everybody in the east join Mexico and in the west Canada.
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Reading this forum does put a smile on my face if nothing else. If we geniuses can't come up with (or agree upon) a solution to our future energy needs, how do we expect a bunch of stupid lawyer congressional representatives and senators who only care about the next election to come up with one? I'll just toodle along on flat tires and burn gas until somebody comes up with a better idea. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
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Without a viable energy plan now, one pundit's conclusion is WWIII
8-12-2008 Talking Points Video Memo: http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/
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Of course solar cell production in China is filthy, because everything they make in China is filthy. They can't even make kids toys without poisoning them. That's a political problem: they don't have laws to protect the public. In any case, there is a big advantage to capturing pollution effects at manufacturing time instead of production time: pollution effects can be sequestered and not just emitted into the air. It's the Good Old capitalistic principle that made American industry: capitalize as much as possible in fixed costs and reduce unit sales costs. You could call it the King Gillette Principle (he made his razors popular by giving away the blade holder and selling the blades).
If you look at energy from basic principles you see that traditional energy use is very old fashioned. We actually burn fuel to produce locomotion. Not a very advanced concept. Why burn something? It's not necessary, it's just the way that evolved from primitive machines. And around that primitive idea we've built all these complicated bandaid systems like transporting oil 10,000 miles from Saudi Arabia, performing complex chemical manipulations on it, putting it through expensive pipelines, storing in huge tanks on valuable real estate, etc., etc. Then we have to bend our social/political systems to support that complex mechanism, taxing and indebting our citizenry and even sending thousands of our soldiers to die in foreign lands to assert our system.
Pretty old fashioned. Meanwhile, all the energy we need falls uselessly on our roofs and parking lots every day, and we even burn more fuel to power cooling systems to combat it!
We can put our experience with developing capital-intensive systems to work on developing alternatives that don't depend on this rickety old system, and which deliver clean, easily available power where it needs to be used, without all this superfluous junk.
We can achieve Energy Independence, not just for the USA, but for individuals. Individually we can capitalize our own systems of energy capture, storage and utilization. Homeowners, families, maverick individuals, can capitalize their own systems by purchasing energy capture, storage and utlization devices of their own, for nominal prices! It's being done now. There are 20,000 homes in California that are totally off the grid. And most of those are done with modest or ordinary incomes.
Energy independence means financial independence. It means an end to the horrendous tax and debt burdens that we have to remote forces to sustain the rickety old oil system.
One of the things I hope to achieve as a fulltime RVer is to gain that financial and energy independence. Yes, I know that I have to pay for gas for the RV, but I expect to learn enough about practical applications of solar (and wind) power to prepare myself for a future, less mobile, off grid, life somewhere on a self-sustaining basis with minimum tax relationship to the government. Also, in my RV travels I want to determine the place for that future.
We, in the USA, will own the future if we turn our attention to the future and not to propping up the past.
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