eltejano1
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Dan in NM:
I have no sympathy with the environmentalists - zero! But it seems to me that we would be better served by massive federal/private investment on alternative energy - namely, nuclear electric. There is a future for tar and shale but it will be primarily used for chemicals and plastics. It takes too much energy to refine into a usable fuel and it's only a stop-gap measure anyway. We will probably have to drill in ANWR and offshore Florida/Calif just to survive long enough to make the switch from petroleum to electricity - and will have to pay ever steeper prices for foreign oil.
It's clear to anyone with historical knowledge and social vision that the Age of Petroleum is in it's death throes. When my great grandkids take their children to the Auto Museum in MI, they will see the old, heavy, inefficient, smelly internal combustion engines and laugh at how big and awkward they were - like the 19th century mining tools at the museum in Tombstone Ariz!! "Did people really have those in cars, Daddy?"
We shouldn't think we can solve this with drilling for more oil - we can buy more time, that's all. World reserves are depleting and those remaining are located in hostile areas. We MUST make the change to an all-electric society and we had better get started. Civilization itself may be at stake here - never mind the health of the planet.
Jack
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eltejano1
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It sounds like like a great idea, ML, but Dan's right. They'll just move to some island somewhere and continue thir trading.
Jack
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AO_hitech
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DanHouck wrote:This will work about as good as suing OPEC, another bright idea from the Democrats. The oil markets, already some of which are offshore, will become fully offshore.
Now, I don't know much about futures markets. However, they were "regulated" before and it worked then. I would assume that if it worked then it will work now. It certainly is the problem, and that seems like a reasonable solution.
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topflite51
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eltejano1 wrote:Hi, "rather be travlin" from Tyler - right up the road! More famous as the home of former Houston Oiler Earl Cambell than for roses. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
Awhile back, I suggested that an oil crash like '84 might be a good thing - but I was shot down and proved wrong. Tell Topflite you are praying for a crash and see what he says.
Jack
Jack Actually Jack a reasonable drop to somewhere between 60 to 80 per barrel would be sufficient to continue the development of other sources and forms of energy. It wouldn't set back energy policies like it did in 83/84. It would however, get rid of a significant number of speculators and their financial backers. I would argue that supply and demand definitely justifies the 60 to 80 range, anything above that is being pushed by pure speculation.
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slowlane
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Speculator-bashing is no more to the point than oil company bashing.
Successful speculators provide a useful economic service by helping smooth out fluctuations in prices.
Unsuccessful speculators go bust. We can all hope to see a great example of the latter soon.
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slowlane
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"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
Once again proving Mark Twain's timeless wisdom, today some of them were proposing nationalization of oil refineries.
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DanHouck
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Oil commodity markets are already operating offshore. It takes nothing to shift from the U.S. to offshore.
Government creates and invests in boondoggles, period. Ethanol is a classic example--a fuel for which production in the U.S. consumes MORE energy than it produces, cannot be distributed in pipelines but must be hauled by truck, and which has severely dislocated food markets.
Government isn't the answer, it is the PROBLEM.
I want these idiots in government and the courts to get the hell out of the way and stop "investing" my money. Freedom is the answer as always. Freedom to produce the energy we need!
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jeffnkelly
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SOAP BOX MODE ON
Today is the first day I have really lost it... over $4.00 / Gal. We are no longer being fleeced by big oil and congress... We are being held hostage. I wonder what its going to take to bring oil prices down. The Saudis are still wondering why it is so terribly high.
I sure wish I could run my V10 on something other than fossil fuel. We have cut Waaaaay back at home to allow our lifestyle. We have trimmed that down to a minium. I usually top off the fuel each time we park after a trip. I don't think I will top off before parking when we return. We left for the Dr. this a.m. It was 3.85/gal. On the way home, 4.00/Gal.
We keep hearing murmurings about an oil price drop. I don't think we will see anything until the elections. For the record. I am NOT BLAMING CONGRESS for higher fuel prices. Its a shame that the almighty US dollar is nolonger the currency it once was... It still jingles and folds but its nolonger a valued instrument. I wish I had more ($)so I could maintain our lifestyle without all the sacrifices. I hope its only temporary
The US Dollar is devalued. Gold is up, financial instruments are at a low. Fuel prices are affecting food and textile prices. Car Dealers are glutted with SUV's. RV DEalers in our area. No stock rotation at all.
We are almost in dire times my friends... Dire times...
SOAP BOX MODE OFF
*wheewee*...
It can only get better...
I hope we can all keep our collective chins up...
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I came back to Ontario yesterday from a shotrt trip to the US.
Saw gas near Buffalo NY for a high of $4.27.
Found some at $4.17, filled up before crossing back to Canada.
Saw diesel priced at five bucks even, thought that was sort of rude!
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Take a vacation.
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eltejano1
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Dan:
Government has to do some things - like basic research and development on new technologies. Private industry simply cannot invest in questionable ventures that may or may not succeed and will show no short-run return The space program is a good example. Govt develops and industry applies.
I daresay there wasn't a single private investor in all of Europe who would have funded Columbus's hair brain voyage to the Orient by sailing West! Government had to do it - and reaped rich returns from their investment.
Government has a vital role to play in solving this crisis, although they rarely work fast enough, or efficiently enough, to satisfy us.
Jack
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