coolbreeze01
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I feel a little better after fueling my pickup today. The person that used the pump prior to me, spent $744 on 144 gals. I hope they are having fun. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/eek.gif "eek")
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lostmarbles
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Don't look now, but the Japanese just showed off the water car. (See link below). They are coming after our market again, since our PEOPLE here are slow getting the hydrogen type out here. It must be the oil PEOPLE again. Now, I'm wondering how they are going to tax us when driving these water based energy cars in a few years.... It's coming! One way or another.
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lostmarbles
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Thanks for the correction! I was in hurry, thanks to the game. It took me several minutes to figure out what I did tho. ADIOS!
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eltejano1
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LostMarbles:
I can't run video because of my phone lines, so let me ask a couple questions about hydrogen. I have heard it takes nearly as much energy to make hydrogen from water as you get out of it? Since we'd have to built more nuclear energy plants anyway, why not just run plug-in cars - and we wouldn't have to build the extensive service staton infrastucture? Does hydrogen have any advantage over plug-in? Isn't it highly explosive and dangerous to handle?
I'm excited about the new plug-in Chevrolet that's coming on the market in a year or so. They say it uses new, lighter-weight battery technology and will run 60 miles on a charge - not bad looking either. Sort of a small suv. I'd like to see some data on the operating cost at current electric rates - and the charging time required. I envision hi-speed, self serve charging stations outside convenience stores. I think the whole key here is battery technology. They'd have to be lighter weight, store more power and capable of taking a fast charge.
They'd be a lot simpler too - an electric motor and a gear box. We'd be able to work on our own cars again!
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[quote=lostmarbles]Don't look now, but the Japanese just showed off the water car.They are coming after our market again, since our PEOPLE here are slow getting the hydrogen type out here. It must be the oil PEOPLE again. Now, I'm wondering how they are going to tax us when driving these water based energy cars in a few years.... It's coming! One way or another. Quote:
To many politicians own oil stock to let that come over here.They will kill it for something like it is not safe for our roads or put such a tax on it you can`t afford it.My idea would be to get the drive train and adapt it to something you all ready have registered or bye a car it would fit and change it over.But then I guess they wold set up road blocks to see if you were paying your fair share of road tax.
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lwmuddy
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As to the Congress (possibly) being the problem, don't vote for anyone who votes against fuel progress.
If I were one then I would be scared the public would vote me out.
As to the H2O car, if it were 100% feasible and practical it will never see the light of day here.
Remember Water Injection in Gasoline engines of years past? Also Injection on the Diesel motor homes? Link
In Japan, their government helps with R&R of new things.
There are SO many things we could accomplish in America that would show the world that we are STILL GREAT, and not the silliness we are showing them now.
What happened to - "Of the People-By the People and For the People".
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onrecess
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I saw a place on the web the other day that sells a kit to electrify a 914 Porsche or VW Golf.
Uses golf cart batteries, goes 90mph, and has a range of 80-100 miles. Costa over $12k, plus another grand for batteries.
http://www.electroauto.com/catalog/kits.shtml#voltsporsche
Uses 1800 watts (110v) charging, 10 to 12 hours if fully depleted.
I THINK that means 18kwh @ $.04 = $.72 each charge. Figure 12,000 miles a year, about 120 charges, around $100. Plus a grand or so for new batteries every three years.
Let's see, 20mpg in our car equals (VERY roughly) 600 gallons @ $4 = $2,400.
So, for our next car- come trade in time- spend $25k on a converted/restored 914.
(People often say whether it is "worth it" to change vehicles. Obviously, payoff for the conversion alone would be 6 years plus. BUT, that is faulty logic. Most people get a new car anyway every 2-6 years. You can go to Yahoo Autos and see cost per year for any new car, cheap ones about $8,000 a year. First five years of 6 yr ownership. This would drop at least $2k for the electric, and another $2k for depreciation. PLUS, you get to drive a cool old 914!)
PS: All my math may be wrong, I just woke up for god's sake!
PSS: How much is an electric air conditioner??? GOTTA have that!!
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Windwalker55
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Camping Hoosiers wrote:Since you invited me, I will opine!
I believe that all representatives and congressmen that have served over the past twenty years should be convicted of treason and hung by the neck until dead. This would be for their crimes committed against the united states by creating the energy situation that we are in today.
With that being said, we must do a few things to start the ball rolling in the right direction.
1) Repeal all laws restricting drilling in ANWR and off of our coasts.
2) Build some refineries. Oil is useless without a way to turn it into fuel.
3) Embrace nuclear energy. We made a few bad films about Nuclear that devastated the industry.
4) Dump the subsidy and mandate for "food to fuel" programs. Admit it was a bad idea.
If we embrace some of these ideas, we may see some relief down the road. If not, we won't.
I saw yesterday where the House passed a bill allowing us to sue OPEC. That is simply insanity. If anyone should be sued it should be the idiots in Washington.
Ok I'm done. I have to go to work now. ;-)
(I need to stop and put $150 worth of gas in my Suburban)
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From MSNBC![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/awink.gif "awink") ASHINGTON - "Opening an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil development would only slightly reduce America’s dependence on imports and would lower oil prices by less than 50 cents a barrel, according to an analysis released Tuesday by the Energy Department.
The report, issued by the Energy Information Administration, or EIA, said that if Congress gave the go-ahead to pump oil from Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the crude could begin flowing by 2013 and reach a peak of 876,000 barrels a day by 2025.
But even at peak production, the EIA analysis said, the United States would still have to import two-thirds of its oil, as opposed to an expected 70 percent if the refuge’s oil remained off the market."
I don't think destroying native habitats is the answer. Congress has nothing to do with building oil refineries.
I do think the ethonal idea is insane. Nuclear power could be a help.
I guess that is what we get for electing an oil man president.
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eltejano1
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Of the People, By the People and For the People ----
There is no "people" anymore - just fractured groups of ideologues, each with it's own agenda. There used to be some common ground, a commonality of interests that transcended partisan politics. There used to be a set of basic values that everyone shared - love of country, fear of God, the American work ethic, a sense of fair play in business, the sanctity of human life, integrity of family, economic self-reliance and last but not least, something that used to be called "common decency."
That's all dead and gone. The very fabric of traditional American culture has been rent asunder and sacrificed on the altar of "diversity."
No nation can long endure with a culturally, religiously and ideologically fractured population - it's an oxymoron! America was a "melting pot" and that was the secret of her greatness. But somebody turned-off the fire under the pot.
Jack
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eltejano1
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Onrecess:
Yeah, what about a/c in an electric car? Seems like that would draw-down the batteries real fast! It an absolute must in this part of the country, though----well, I say that, but we did get along without it for many years. I didn't have a/c in an auto until the early sixities, as I recall - and that was an aftermarket accessory.
Jack
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