topflite51
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"When the man on the moon and building ships in a week was taking place, everyone was on the same page."
It is easy to be on the same page, when you are guaranteed your costs + 10%.![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
But then, that would all be part of getting it done.
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Hurricaner
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I think we have to attack this on two fronts. We need fuel efficient vehicles, there is no getting around that. We can easily produce 50+ MPG vehicles and that should be the requirement for all vehicles under 4000 pounds sold in this country. The RVs could easily get 14 MPG on diesel, we might have to scale down to 34 footers but it can be done. Or we can say bye bye to the RV industry.
Just throwing more fuel at the problem will not get it done but with the proper leader at the helm we can make things happen that will keep everyone happy, well not everyone but you get the idea.
Sam
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eltejano1
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I agree with both Sea Dog and Sam. It can be done, to be sure, but only by a united and committed country that's willing to make sacrifices. I remember the war years as a child. The sacrifices were horrific - very little gas available, virtually no recreation and even things like sugar were severely restricted. I recall my mother fighting with a women in the store over a jar of mayonnaise! Somehow, I just can't see our generation rising to a challenge like that. I hope I'm wrong.
9-11 was similar to Pearl Harbor and, for a few weeks, it appeared that americans stil had the right stuff. But the dedication evaporated very quickly when they realized it meant sacrificing the lives of our sons and daughters and a very large chunk of our national wealth. In the forties we were a relatively homogeneous society, largely rural and toughened by the rigors of a 12 year depression. Today we're much more diverse, not only ethnically but culturally and politically as well, and that precludes the kind of "let's roll up our sleeves and get it done" attitude that prevailed then. We have been living in the lap of luxury for 60 years and we're spoiled rotten and utterly selfish, probably beyond repair. Last but not least, in those days, the country was also bonded together by a common set of values and a common religion. The demise of christianity, which some see as a positive thing, also weakened this nation's ability to face struggles and challenges like wars, depressions and fuel crises.
So, I agree with Sam that it could be done - and would have been done in 1940 - but Sea Dog is also right in expressing pessimism that it will be done. I wouldn't want to bet the family jewels on America anymore - and it hurts deeply to say that.
Jack
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eltejano1
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Sam wrote:with the proper leader at the helm we can make things happen that will keep everyone happy, well not everyone but you get the idea.
Right on target, Sam. In no small measure, that liberty ship was built in one week because of the leadeship of FDR. One encouraging thing - throughout the history of the USA, when the chips were really down where the very survival of the country was at stake, a great leader has always emerged - Lincoln, Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson.
Somehow, though, it's difficult seeing anyone who's capable of commanding that kind of respect in today's culturally fractured society. I really think the cement that bonded the people in those times was a common religion, or at least the values that stemmed from that universally accepted belief system - just like in Islam today. But no use to worry about that - it's long gone in our society.
Maybe our free enterprise system can bail us out. That's about the only hope we have.
Jack
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Hurricaner
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The one thing I do have faith in and that is greed. There is a trillion(maybe more) barrels of oil sitting in the middle of nowhere in this country. If oil holds at 100 dollars a barrel you will see the largest construction project since Genoa steel(Utah) in WW2, which I believe was built in 2 years and was the largest construction project of its time. Its sole purpose was to insure we had a steel supply that could not be targeted by the enemy. As with almost every other steel plant, it was sold to the Chinese and dismantled.
Sam
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sirdrakejr
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Jack,
If FDR had today's congress we might be speaking German today. Sad!
Frank
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Skid Row Joe
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topflite51 wrote:Sea Dog, to listen to you, America has no options, guess we should just stick our heads in the "tar sands". We are special in the good old US of A, maybe not as special as we think, but we are. We have for the most part solved more problems, then we have created. Not many countries can say that, can they? Given a little time and hard work, we in America can get it done, we always do. We have been lax in this country about not having an energy policy, it is about time we all get on the train and get it done. We have options, it is time we start exercising them. On this Memorial Day in America, Top, let's remind the world that we're the only country in modern history willing to lead by dying abroad fighting for other's freedom around the globe.
No country has ever had the goodness to extend to the world the freedom we enjoy, as the United States has.
I believe the United States will figure this oil thing out, before any other country would, and that, the rest of the globe can depend on.
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H_1
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It's convenient to think of things in the past as always being one way or the other, but we should remember that Lincoln's funeral train avoided Cincinnati because of concerns for northern Copperheads - and this after the war was all but over! 1940 had its own share of debate and disagreement - had it not been so, the US would have responded differently to Chamberlain's appeal from Munich in '37.
Ultimately, conservation and moderation are not crimes, pursuing new sources for energy is prudence against future fluctuations of this sort, and encouraging our overweight bottoms to do some self-propelled motion to stores and parks is just common sense.
Does this mean that people shouldn't go RVing? Of course not. We have a 6L truck with a 31' trailer. On a good day we'll see 12mpg, more often it's around 11. We can plan around this. I may not like it, but we can plan. And we do.
Is the oil in these new reserves recoverable? In all likelihood, but at what cost remains to be seen. It may pan out to be $140-145 given today's price of 2016 oil futures; it may not.
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unbob
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eltejano1 wrote:Today we're much more diverse, not only ethnically but culturally and politically as well, and that precludes the kind of "let's roll up our sleeves and get it done" attitude that prevailed then. We have been living in the lap of luxury for 60 years and we're spoiled rotten and utterly selfish, probably beyond repair. Last but not least, in those days, the country was also bonded together by a common set of values and a common religion.
Jack
Totally agree with Jack. Thanks to our cultural and religious diversity, there's no common cause existing in this country today. Instead, our so-called "leaders" spend their efforts getting rich and being politically "correct" (whatever that means). Meanwhile, the country is so fragmented politically and culturally, that very little meaningful gets done. America's glory days have passed into history and we're now well on our way to becoming a "2nd world" country. Obviously, I could go on and on, but you already know the story.
The only realistic solution for me is to escape America and try to enjoy my remaining years living in a society I can believe in and relate to. America ain't it! If you agree, check this out.
Yeah, I admit, I've become a cynical old curmudgeon.
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rshidler
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bp19 wrote:Quote:
Sure it does - just a tongue and cheek comment among guys who are the world's biggest fuel guzzlers - us! I am not an environmentalist - I'm a Texas Baptist who believes everything on the planet is for our use, as the Book says - and it's finite; we're expected to use it up.
Your assumption is that RVers are the biggest fuel guzzlers is not necessarily true. What you are believing about yourself is part of the lie of the envoronmentalist wackos. A family of four driving their RV is using about same amount of fuel as their airtrip on a 400 mile trip flown in a 737. How much energy does it takes to build the airplane or the RV or the hotels needed to stay in for that family that flew? Start thinking logically about this.
Conservation with good energy policy.
One thing we can do,,,But the other thing congress must do. Don't hold out any hope with Maxine Waters as part of the leadership. She is an idiot along with the others that yell when it cost them $70 to fill their tank (and then blame the oil execs).
Why do people compare RV's to Jumbo Jets?
The original poster in this quote stated RV'ers were the "world's biggest fuel guzzlers." I tend to agree. But then the next poster stated an RV carrying a family of 4 uses about the same amount of fuel as that same family of 4 riding in a 737. I've seen this same type of comparison many times. What is the deal? Apparently people only know how to drive an RV. If no RV available, then hop a 737.
Any possibility that this same family of 4 parks their fuel guzzeling RV and jumps in their sedan and drives the same distance at a more econimical mpg?
Maybe, just maybe, people can drive a sedan in a similar manner to driving an RV. Let's not assume they automatically jump into a jumbo jet.
Bob & Jamie
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