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jmramiller
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JIMNLIN wrote:jmramiller wrote:If I needed medical advise would I consult a doctor or the guy changing the bed pans? I have to agree with "Dr. Wadcutter" on this one.
JIMNLIN - do you really believe that every LEO officer on this forum with weight enforcement experience is wrong on this subject? I have yet to see a single LEO on this forum agree with you. In fact every response I have seen by one of these individuals has directly contradicted your claims. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough.
Are there any LEO's out there who want to support JIMLIN's claims?
Guess you don't agree with what the "clickie above" on what 390.5 says regarding mising door tag GVWR, huh. Thats not surprising as the reg debunks the matteress tag theory and makes the tag a legal issue.
I wasn't interested in info from bed pan changers either so I contacted both my doctor leo (OKDOT field officer and a troop S offier from our new commercial weights enforcement division) who is the only leo I'm concerned with for door tag interpetations for the state of Oklahoma. If it disagrees with your opinion or a leo from other states opinion thats your/their problem. I also don't read as you do that every leo on the web agrees with your position on door tag issues. I've heard comments that because its a RV it doesnt pertain from a leo. Many leos aren't weight certified and know very little about weight regs and how their state enforces door tag issues.
10 ton had some good info/advise also on GVWR/GAWR door tag issues. He probably knows more about door tag GVWR/GAWR issues than anyone on a RV web. Going through different state scale houses for several years gives lots of interpetation experiences. His info/opinion are correct IMO.
I don't know what 10 ton knows but I can tell you what he does not know. He claims that in Texas you can only register a private truck up to the weight on the "Fed Label". This is absolutely false as I have done it myself. He also is not anywhere close in his description of how insurance companies operate. Why would I take his word on any of these matters when I know he is providing incorrect information on these subjects?
I guess on the other matters we will simply have to agree to disagree. Every LEO with weight enforcement experience (throughout the country I might add) has taken the same position as wadcutter on this subject. I have yet to see anyone who can speak with any authority on the matter support your argument on this forum. Of course some poeple will always take the Lone Wolf position regardless of how much the evidence points in the other direction. You are going to believe what you believe and there is nothing the experienced and intelligent real experts are going to say that is going to change your mind.
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Gunpilot77
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JIMNLIN wrote:
Guess you don't agree with what the "clickie above" on what 390.5 says regarding mising door tag GVWR, huh. Thats not surprising as the reg debunks the matteress tag theory and makes the tag a legal issue.
I agree with the link. However, as been stated OVER AND OVER that is a link to commercial trucking. Your specific premise about the door tag question only pertains to COMMERCIAL vehicle operators who try to beat the system by removing the plate to avoid medical card requirements, etc. The plate on my 24' deckover flatbed fell off years ago but it doesn't matter. It is registered for 14k GVWR (the weight on the Certificate of Origin) and is never loaded heavier than that. No problem. Take a look at a lot of the plates on older RVs and you will find they are illegible. Doesn't matter, GVWR does not show up on RV trailer registrations.
By the way, your "clickie above on what 390.5 says" is inaccarate. Your clickie refers to 390 regs and specifically refers to 390.5 as the place to find definitions, just like Wadcutter said.
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jmramiller wrote:
I don't know what 10 ton knows but I can tell you what he does not know. He claims that in Texas you can only register a private truck up to the weight on the "Fed Label".
I guess on the other matters we will simply have to agree to disagree. Every LEO with weight enforcement experience (throughout the country I might add) has taken the same position as wadcutter on this subject. I have yet to see anyone who can speak with any authority on the matter support your argument on this forum. Of course some poeple will always take the Lone Wolf position regardless of how much the evidence points in the other direction. You are going to believe what you believe and there is nothing the experienced and intelligent real experts are going to say that is going to change your mind.
as usual your confusing issues and blowing other parts way out of proportion and not understanding what has been said. Do we disagree you bet.
Here's what 10 ton said on TX registration;
10 ton quote: "Texas allows one to register a pickup for whatever weight you are willing to pay the tax for, when using as a company vehicle hauling your own companies equipment(non-commercial), or if it is "for hire" or commercial use and in both cases the trailer has no weight applied to the registration (token trailer tag)."
experienced and Intelligent real experts. LOL.
Yes I've talked with two very experienced and intelligent real experts from my state weights enforcement division which is where the clickie above came from.
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Gunpilot77 wrote:
I agree with the link. However, as been stated OVER AND OVER that is a link to commercial trucking. Your specific premise about the door tag question only pertains to COMMERCIAL vehicle operators who try to beat the system by removing the plate to avoid medical card requirements, etc.
By the way, your "clickie above on what 390.5 says" is inaccarate. Your clickie refers to 390 regs and specifically refers to 390.5 as the place to find definitions, just like Wadcutter said.
correct on the commercial trucking part. This whole issue is fed regs and is the trucks door tag GVWR/GAWR a legal tag and is it used for weight issues commercially and non commercial. As the officer that gave the reg to me says 390.5 interpetation
Subpart A—General " APPLICABILITY and definitions" gives the officer guidence if the tag is missing.
OK has a reg thats specifically deals with missing placards/knowingly destroying/removing/covering/destroying which makes it a misdeameanor to do so. His point was he can hit the operator with a missing placard.
See my post above on page #16 dated 1-19-09 11:36am for my point on commercial and non commercial issues regarding GVWR/GAWR door tag/placard/post or what ever others use for description.
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here another member that understands the use of door sill as he puts it/placard/tag/post concerning GAWR to balance the load/purchasing GVWR and how its used for a combined tow and has it right about how their used in his state. This post comes from the 5th wheel forum page #6 and the topic is "towing and overweights" which was closed. He is what is called a legal commercial hauler.
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This topic has been on going on other forums as well. As for the GVWR from the manufacturers, this is for warrantys and guidelines. If you see on the door sills, you can see the axle weight ratings. It's usually higher than the tire rating, usually. I have friends that are hotshots, most use a F-350 dually hauling up to 42,000 GCVW. That's legal. Because each axle "carrys" it's own weight. Each axle has the brake rating for the weight it's designed to carry. The same is for the tires as well.
So let's say that your GCVW is 26,000 lbs.
Your front axle rating is 5,000 lbs., and you're weigh out at 4,500 lbs.
Your rear axle rating is 6,500lbs., and you're weigh out at 5,000 lbs.
Your trailer has 3 axles, each rated for 7,000 lbs., and you're weigh out at 5,500 lbs. per axle.
As you can see you're under as per weight rating. I have a F-350 SRW, but I can "buy" tonnage in Washington state. If you're pulled over, you might be good on the axles. But if you don't have the right tonnage plates, that's where they can fine you. Like if your set up is registered for 12,000 lbs. GCVW and you're hauling 13,000 lbs. You're overweight because you don't have the right plates. However with the same set up, if you're registered for 26,000 lbs. and you're hauling 25,990 lbs. You're legal because you have the correct plates and you're under on your axles. If you think that I'm an idiot, than you shouldn't be driving. I have a Class A CDL with doubles/triples trailers and tanks endorsements. So this isn't my first rodeo.
It's not difficult to figure it out, just make sure that your tires are rated for Load E. Too many people get cheap and buy a lower rating tire because it's cheaper. I always try to find the highest weight rating tire in the trend design I'm looking for. Besides, the only way the DOT is going to pull you over is that you're driving all over the place or too fast. Also you don't have to enter the weight station, that's only for commerical traffic.
When he hooks to his RV/tractor and implement trailer/large boat and trailer or any non commercial truck/trailer combo he/us still have GAWR/tire caps to go with for a legal load.
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JIMNLIN wrote:
OK has a reg thats specifically deals with missing placards/knowingly destroying/removing/covering/destroying which makes it a misdeameanor to do so. His point was he can hit the operator with a missing placard.
See my post above on page #16 dated 1-19-09 11:36am for my point on commercial and non commercial issues regarding GVWR/GAWR door tag/placard/post or what ever others use for description.
How about a link to that reg. I'd bet that, once again, it pertains to commercial operators who try to beat the system. If you were to be believed, i.e., that OK requires RVs to comply with commercial regs then all of us with rigs over 10,000 GVWR would be required to have a med card.
I read the post on page 16, and could care less about FMCSA regs while towing my 5er. How about the phone number and name of your all knowing trooper. Every time I pass thru OK I plan on stopping at the scales to test your assertions, but they are always closed.
And this is what pipewelder said; "As for the GVWR from the manufacturers, this is for warrantys and guidelines." You conveniently ignored that part.
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Pipewelder has also said what I have said, you need to be under ratings, along with having enough paid for license, and any other regs they choose to enforce. usually in Wa st tho, I do not have to worry about the manufactures ratings, it is how wide my tires are, and the fed 20K per axel max. So in his example, it is in reality, the paid for license they, ie WSP cares about not the manufacture ratings!
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Here the only numbers on the door the DOT looks for on commercial trucks are the DOT numbers and there on the outside of the door.![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
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JIMNLIN wrote:jmramiller wrote:
I don't know what 10 ton knows but I can tell you what he does not know. He claims that in Texas you can only register a private truck up to the weight on the "Fed Label".
I guess on the other matters we will simply have to agree to disagree. Every LEO with weight enforcement experience (throughout the country I might add) has taken the same position as wadcutter on this subject. I have yet to see anyone who can speak with any authority on the matter support your argument on this forum. Of course some poeple will always take the Lone Wolf position regardless of how much the evidence points in the other direction. You are going to believe what you believe and there is nothing the experienced and intelligent real experts are going to say that is going to change your mind.
as usual your confusing issues and blowing other parts way out of proportion and not understanding what has been said. Do we disagree you bet.
Here's what 10 ton said on TX registration;
10 ton quote: "Texas allows one to register a pickup for whatever weight you are willing to pay the tax for, when using as a company vehicle hauling your own companies equipment(non-commercial), or if it is "for hire" or commercial use and in both cases the trailer has no weight applied to the registration (token trailer tag)."
experienced and Intelligent real experts. LOL.
Yes I've talked with two very experienced and intelligent real experts from my state weights enforcement division which is where the clickie above came from.
A direct quote from 10 ton's post " In the case of a private use pickup, it can only be registered for it's Fed label". This is not the only time he contridicts himself in the post. He also states that an insurance claim can be denied for being "overweight" which is absolutely incorrect.
Your quote "I've talked with two very experienced and intelligent real experts from my state weights enforcement division". I bet you also talk to Casper on a regular basis too. Anybody on this forum can say "I talked to so and so". Let's hear it from the horses mouth. I am still waiting for one of the real experts on this forum to agree with you. Guess what, it is not going to happen. I believe the only one who is confusing the issues here is you. One thing I have learned on this forum is that some people will fight to the bitter end to defend what they believe regardless of the facts. You my friend are one of those people.
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I am so proud of myself not to be drawn back into this craziness. Probably because there is no way I could add to the LEO's that calmly try to explain, time after time, the LAW. Wadcutter, you deserve a medal. Hope we meet some day. Your calm attitude, service to our country and desire to educate us is truly impressive, Enjoy. G.
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