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DW-gray wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:If anyone wants to stay at 14K you really are not going to be hauling a very large 5er.
Ford and Ram have one-ton dually trucks with 14K GVWR. Depending on the style and GVW, these trucks could realistically tow 23.3K to 27.5K fifth wheel. Are there any fifth wheel RVs with a GVWR more than that?
If anyone has a heavier 5th wheel, I hope they are towing with an MDT or HDT.
Where do you think the 14k number came from???? And why?
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DW-gray wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:If anyone wants to stay at 14K you really are not going to be hauling a very large 5er.
Ford and Ram have one-ton dually trucks with 14K GVWR. Depending on the style and GVW, these trucks could realistically tow 23.3K to 27.5K fifth wheel. Are there any fifth wheel RVs with a GVWR more than that?
If anyone has a heavier 5th wheel, I hope they are towing with an MDT or HDT.
You are missing the point. I DO tow 23K and I am "WAY"over my 14K GVWR. You can't run full RAWR and not be over the trucks 14K GVWR.
YES I am over RAWR by a few pounds, that is because I was hauling a complete clutch assembly.
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JIMNLIN wrote: DW-gray wrote:One of your points was "The 14k is to keep the truck in the class 3." How do you know that? Where is a document with that claim? Do you have a document stating that the truck in has been derated? If so, how much?
I didn't make that statement about 14k class of truck being derated.
That's what happens when someone interrupts a conversation I'm attempting to have with someone else and I didn't notice I was replying to the wrong person. Sorry about that.
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avvidclif1 wrote:Where do you think the 14k number came from???? And why?
I don't know and I don't make assumptions. The point could be correct. I want to see it in writing from an authoritative source.
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DW-gray wrote:avvidclif1 wrote:Where do you think the 14k number came from???? And why?
I don't know and I don't make assumptions. The point could be correct. I want to see it in writing from an authoritative source.
Did you look up the link I posted???
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Cummins12V98 wrote:You are missing the point. I DO tow 23K and I am "WAY"over my 14K GVWR. You can't run full RAWR and not be over the trucks 14K GVWR.
YES I am over RAWR by a few pounds, that is because I was hauling a complete clutch assembly.
Seems to me there may be a communication problem here. Let’s refer back to some previous comments.
Cummins12V98 wrote: GVWR is usually not as important as axle ratings since many times they equal tire capacity.
DW-gray wrote: Sorry, but I do not agree. If you would take notice, the GVWR will be exceeded before the sum of the GAWRs for normal towing setup. All owner's manuals clearly warn not to exceed the GVWR and GAWRs. Braking capacity is based on the GVWR, not the GAWRs.
Cummins12V98 wrote: Example, my RAM DRW is 14K GVWR. My RAWR is 9,750# my FAWR is 6,000#. If I load my rear axle to it's rating and don't load a single thing on my front axle I will be well over my GVWR.
Your example proves my point, did it not? The sum of the GAWRs will always exceed the GVWR.
Your CAT scale record does show you are exceeding the GVWR. If you were hauling a clutch assembly in the truck bed (whatever the weight of that is) while you are towing your 5th wheel RV, I can understand exceeding the GAWR and GVWR. If you could have transferred some weight from the truck to the rear of the trailer, you may not have exceeded the truck ratings. However, I don’t know how close you are to exceeding the trailer’s GVWR. Is it possible the redistribute the load in your trailer to remove some pin weight?
When I used to haul a Smart car in my toy hauler, it would remove about 300 pounds from the pin.
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avvidclif1 wrote:DW-gray wrote:avvidclif1 wrote:Where do you think the 14k number came from???? And why?
I don't know and I don't make assumptions. The point could be correct. I want to see it in writing from an authoritative source.
Did you look up the link I posted???
Yes I did and that does not prove the point I think was being assumed.
The way I read someone's point was that it is implied that the truck's GVWR of 14K was limited for insurance purposes only, and the implication is that the truck is capable of safely towing much more. That's the proof I'm want to read. Not an assumption or opinion.
Wikipedia says no such thing. Besides, I don't trust that source. If you go to some of the actual government documents, they show that a Class 3 truck (10,001-14,000 lbs.) is a medium duty truck. States can have a different determination of weight classification.
Regardless of GVWR, it is still used in part to calculate the GCWR and TWR set by the J2807 standards that the manufacturers use voluntarily.
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I will continue this debate elsewhere.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:I will continue this debate elsewhere.
I think they are confusing the numbers... the new trucks that have the 14k GVWR is for the TRUCK ONLY.. roughly 9k for the truck and 5k or so for payload.... The trailer AND truck weights are upwards of 24k-25k
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ford truck guy wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:I will continue this debate elsewhere.
I think they are confusing the numbers... the new trucks that have the 14k GVWR is for the TRUCK ONLY.. roughly 9k for the truck and 5k or so for payload.... The trailer AND truck weights are upwards of 24k-25k
I'm not confused about that. Never was confused about that. GVWR-GVW=Available payload. At no time should the GVWR be exceeded.
The truck and trailer combination is not supposed to exceed the gross combination weight rating (GCWR).
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