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Weights were taken at start of a long trip
(60 gal of diesel, 60# propane, 25 gal of water, empty gray & black tanks)
Steer axle......4,160# (GAWR: 4,670#)
Drive axle......5,980# (GAWR: 6,084#) close to tire limit, will soon be changing to 265/75-16 E tires
Total Truck..10,140# (GVWR: 9,200#) Truck handles this load real well!
Trailer pin........2,780# (truck is level even w/2” drop shackles on rear springs & 30psi in Air Lifts)
Trailer axles...10,680# (GAWR: 7,000# each, MOR/ryde IS)
Total Trailer...13,460# (GVWR: 12,500#) Mfg. says this amount of overweight is not a problem for this trailer—same chassis as on their heavier trailers.
Total (GCW): 20,820# (GCWR: 22,000#, Total Truck + Trailer axles)
Note: Trailer has disc brakes rated for 8,000# per axle & E rated tires, good for max. of 3,042# each.
2010 Itasca Cambria 28B
E450 w/V10, 200" WB, 29'7" Lg.
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wfr1
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Pin Weight?
Were thinking about a new 5th Wheel. The rig were considering has a posted pin weight of 1360 lbs. How is this calculated? Is it the pin weight with the rig at full gross weight or with the rig empty? We are concerned because our TV has a gross wt rating of 9200 lbs and an actual cat weight of 7500 lbs, leaving only 1700 lbs to spare. While this looks good in theory, I am concerned that the pin weight will grow when the rig is filled. The truck is a 2K8 Chevy turbo diesel. While I feel comfortable that the 25ft, 5th wheel were considering is road safe, I am still concerned that we are pushing the posted limits. The axle weights are all good, its the GVWR that is the concern. The axle capacities totals add up to nearly 11,000 lbs, considerably more than the GVWR of 9200 lbs.
2K8 Chevy LTZ Turbo Diesel
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2K7 Komfort 241fs
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RedRam
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teach32696 wrote:Looks like everyone I read.....they are WAY over-weight!!!
And why is your comment allowed to stand when others are gone ?.It isn't right and Frank should of deleted it long ago.
On the other hand Frank,why are you allowing it to stay here ?.
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mtofell1
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2006 Duramax 4X4 CC Short Box + 2004 Montana 2955RL
Wife and I in the truck (together about 375lbs - I'll leave it to her to give you the breakdown from there), 5th wheel water tanks empty except for about 20 gallons of fresh water. One full propane, one really close to empty. The 5th is setup to use with some food, bedding, TV's, clothes and other stuff. I have the normal tools and bins of stuff in the truck and trailer - nothing crazy heavy but enough to get by. Standard fuel tank (26 gallons) was about 2/3 full.
Front axle - 4400
Rear axle - 5350
Fiver axles - 8600
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2004 Silverado 2500 HD D/A, CC, 4x4 SB, SuperSprings,
Wife and Me ... two dogs, full tank, Reese Kwik Slider installed, ready to go ... 7,300#
LF: 2,240 / RF: 2,240 / Total: 4,480
LR: 1,460 / RR: 1,360 / Total: 2,820
Tire Rating 3,340# each.
2008 Jayco Designer 35RLTS - (Pick up in three weeks)
MFG Dry weight: 11,870 / Actual: 12,679
DRY Hitch weight: 2,340 / Actual: TBD
GVWR: 15,800
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wingrider6
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All of that is well and good, but what I would like to know is how does your "as it comes from the dealer" sticker weight compare to the actual "as it came from the dealer". Are the manufacturers being honest? Are the stickers pretty close to accurate? If so that's all we need to know, after that you load in what you feel comfortable towing--above or below the GVWR of the trailer or truck. My last trailer, a 29' Gulfstream Innsbruck was real close when I weighed it out (before adding tons of personal stuff), haven't weighed my Open Road fiver yet (too late for "as it came from dealer" though).
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wfr1
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Where I am having difficulty is the actual pin weight before we buy the rig. We are considering a Komfort 241fs which has a listed pin wt of 1359 lbs, well within the 1700lb bed load of our 2K8 Chevy TD. When I do the math on the trailer this pin wt seems to be arrived at when the 5ver is fully loaded. But is this the actual case? Will it increase when we load the rig? In some rigs we have seen the pin weight is derived with the rig empty (according the salesmen) we have spoken to. We need an accurate number before we buy it and load it up, not after. I spent over 20 years doing weight and balance professionally, can run the math, and can tell when some bozo salesman is blowing smoke. What I want is the real numbers, not smoke and word games. And the manufacture’s brochures are another tangle of numbers that are not standard or uniform. What we want to know, when it is all said and done, is what are the weights when the rig is fully loaded? What are the real world numbers? From reading this topic, it is quite clear that there are loads of misinformation, confusion, and I am afraid, a lot intentional omissions on the part of many manufactures.
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RoyHowdy
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You know the hardest thing to get is real honest down to earth weight ratings from almost anyone. And when you are new and trying to figure all this out, it is a real pain in the neck. So I know what you are going through. I too I'm trying to figure all this out. Just what is an average wight or size 5th whell will the average everyday out of the show room Ford 350 duelly tow? Got to be somekind of average one can expect to go and and look at. But it seems as if the figures are all over the place. And Fords sight does not help that much either. And looking at all the rigs here it seems as if they can tow just about anything. hahahhaha
Need help also with real honest answers.
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RoyHowdy
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I want to take the time to thank each and everyone that has sent in their weights and ratings. I can't tell you all how helpful this has been. I'm still going through and making a list of of the F350 and trying to get a common average of all weights. But this has been so helpful to a new person like myself in understanding how it all works together. I wish to thank the Forum Moderators for putting all this together for us new people. It is very hard trying to get all of this down when you are new to RV'ing
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portscanner
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wfr1 wrote:Where I am having difficulty is the actual pin weight before we buy the rig. ....
Except for running down to the local truck stop and putting the trailer on the CAT scales, this is the only way I know how to answer that question.
RoyHowdy wrote:You know the hardest thing to get is real honest down to earth weight ratings from almost anyone. And when you are new and trying to figure all this out, it is a real pain in the neck. So I know what you are going through. I too I'm trying to figure all this out. Just what is an average wight or size 5th whell will the average everyday out of the show room Ford 350 duelly tow? Got to be somekind of average one can expect to go and and look at. But it seems as if the figures are all over the place. And Fords sight does not help that much either. And looking at all the rigs here it seems as if they can tow just about anything. hahahhaha
I did went through the same thing when I upgraded to a 5th wheel. And no, there is no "average" number you can use. It varies depending on options you get on the truck and what stuff you carry with you in the truck (1 person, 2 people, dogs, cats, toys, etc etc). 4wd, diesel, long bed, short bed, crew cab, regular cab, etc etc etc.
Add the pin weight, plus the weight of your "stuff"in the truck plus the weight of the people plus the weight of the truck and compare that to the GVWR that you will find on the door post and see if you got to much weight. Add onto the above weight the weight of the trailer (including all your "stuff" in your trailer) on it's axles and make sure you are not exceeding the GCVW stamped on the same sticker on the door post.
I dont know of any way to get the weight of a truck except to weigh it. I would make it part of the deal . You find a truck you like and you tell the dealer I will buy this if I can have it weighed and it weighs less than X (where X will keep you below the limits outlined above)
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