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Cthns wrote: We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??
Thank you.
I'm not sure, but it sounds like you may have a truck with the low axle weight rating which can be a problem with 5th wheels. I suggest you visit FWS. The article, Before You Buy.. will help you understand axle ratings. The site is full of other good information too.
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Traveler II wrote: Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"
Good job of getting the "Real Weights" Too often folk simply drive on a scale and divide by 4. In your case you would have thought you had 3009# on each tire. Instead you know that you are off by 7.4%. You didn't say what size tires you have on the trailer but with a tandem axle I recommend you run no more than 90% of the published "Dual" load and to always run the pressure shown on the tire sidewall. If you have ST type tires you need to consider 65 MPH like the Red Line on your engine. It's possible to run at or even above the red line but not for long and you can expect much shorter engine (or tire) life.
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Tireman9 wrote: Traveler II wrote: Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"
Good job of getting the "Real Weights" Too often folk simply drive on a scale and divide by 4. In your case you would have thought you had 3009# on each tire. Instead you know that you are off by 7.4%. You didn't say what size tires you have on the trailer but with a tandem axle I recommend you run no more than 90% of the published "Dual" load and to always run the pressure shown on the tire sidewall. If you have ST type tires you need to consider 65 MPH like the Red Line on your engine. It's possible to run at or even above the red line but not for long and you can expect much shorter engine (or tire) life.
We're running Goodyear 614 and I have been keeping them at 105 PSI, I will take your recommendation and take them up to 110. We run 60-65 mph to save fuel. We have about 12,000 miles on the this rig, and this summer we had the MOR/ryde IS and disk brakes installed.
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Traveler II wrote: Tireman9 wrote: Traveler II wrote: Trailer R Front 3,230
Trailer R Rear 3,185 6,415
Trailer L Front 2,840
Trailer L Rear 2,780 5,620 795 Right side weight more
Total Axel Weight 12,035 Loaded, 1/3 water empty gray and black tanks
Total Truck & Trailer 22,440
Truck Weight 7,780
Trailer Weight 14,660
Pin Weight 2,625
% Pin Weight 18%
Truck & Pin Weight 10,405
Trailer Dry Weight 11,680
Est Cargo Weight 2,980
Trailer Height 13' 2"
Good job of getting the "Real Weights" Too often folk simply drive on a scale and divide by 4. In your case you would have thought you had 3009# on each tire. Instead you know that you are off by 7.4%. You didn't say what size tires you have on the trailer but with a tandem axle I recommend you run no more than 90% of the published "Dual" load and to always run the pressure shown on the tire sidewall. If you have ST type tires you need to consider 65 MPH like the Red Line on your engine. It's possible to run at or even above the red line but not for long and you can expect much shorter engine (or tire) life.
We're running Goodyear 614 and I have been keeping them at 105 PSI, I will take your recommendation and take them up to 110. We run 60-65 mph to save fuel. We have about 12,000 miles on the this rig, and this summer we had the MOR/ryde IS and disk brakes installed.
Per Good Year tech support. Usethe tire inflation chart using the heaviest tire andthen go th the next psi on the chart.
Your heaviest tire is 3,185# so the chart says 3,300# at 90 PSI. The next higher is 3,414# at 95 PSI.
So per GY uou should be running 95 PSI. They said when you have more air pressure than needed you will have a smaller contact patch that = less stopping power and center of tire wear.
Don't believe me contact GY tech support!
I have ran two sets of the same exact tire as you 5 years each using the charts, not even a flat! One set on this Mobile suites running at 100PSI and one set on 32.5 Avion Platinum that I changed from E to G tires and ran 85 PSI.
Now I have changed the G to H tires on the MS with 100PSI.
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Cthns,
You see lots of overloaded 250's towing Montana and similar size 5ers.
Airbags will help you ride level but don't change your weight ratings or help you stop. Bummer, you need a bigger truck. Been there and been as surprised and dismayed as you when I found these forum topics.
Your biggest risk exposure is overloading the rear tires and maybe the rims. If you keep the truck, definitely fix this!
Good luck.
Cthns wrote: We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??
Thank you.
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JohnD222 wrote: Cthns,
You see lots of overloaded 250's towing Montana and similar size 5ers.
Airbags will help you ride level but don't change your weight ratings or help you stop. Bummer, you need a bigger truck. Been there and been as surprised and dismayed as you when I found these forum topics.
Your biggest risk exposure is overloading the rear tires and maybe the rims. If you keep the truck, definitely fix this!
Good luck.
Cthns wrote: We just got a 2012 Ford F250 diesel crew cab short bed. Then bought a 2012 Montana 3150 RL. With a pull rite sliding hitch. Husband wants to add extra fuel tanks. When we tried to calculate the weight measurements to see if we could add the tanks, we find that our king pin weight is more than the rated payload. The Montana Gross weight (shipping weight + carry weight) is 14,160 lbs. hitch weight 2160 lbs. the truck GVWR is 10,000 lbs. the cargo weight is not suppose to exceed 1,661 lbs. We see lots of F250s towing Montana and similar size 5ers. What are we doing wrong trying to figure out the weights??
Thank you.
Well not pulling a Montana, but I am pulling a 5er with a GVWR of 12,000#, currently loaded to just a little over 11,000# with about 2,200# on the pin.
I tow this package with an 01 2500 Ram with a camper package, while the stated GVWR of the truck is 8,800# the total GAWR is 11,284#, I run with a GVW of 9,700# while towing our 5er, Holly Cow Batman the bumper must be dragging on the pavement!!!
Well this is a picture of our rig ready for the road, No Air Bags, No air shocks, No modifications at all to the factory suspension.
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The bank and I bought a ..........
2012 Chevy 3500 CC Short bed Diesel SWD with Allison transmission. We are looking at full timing down the road. Is there a standard form to determine weights and pulling capacities.
I have read that Chevy rates this truck to pull 17,400 lbs.
Someone give me a web site or printable form to determine weights and pulling ratings.
We are looking at 39 ft 13,400 dry..16000 GVWR..2480 hitch weight..axle weight 10,920
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It may pull that much but with the SWD be careful not to overload the rear axle. Check out BYBRV.com and FWS.
RGCG18 wrote: The bank and I bought a ..........
2012 Chevy 3500 CC Short bed Diesel SWD with Allison transmission. We are looking at full timing down the road. Is there a standard form to determine weights and pulling capacities.
I have read that Chevy rates this truck to pull 17,400 lbs.
Someone give me a web site or printable form to determine weights and pulling ratings.
We are looking at 39 ft 13,400 dry..16000 GVWR..2480 hitch weight..axle weight 10,920
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I went to the scales yest with the F550 and the Raptor 4014. The F550 had about 50 of the 110 gallons of fuel it holds. The Raptor 4014 had my WR450 in the garage and just the normal leave in the trailer goods (bedding, dishes, and a few non parishables). Here is what the scales read.
Axle 1 (steer) 5240lbs
Axle 2 (drive) 7820lbs
Axle 3 (trailer) 12680lbs
Total: 25740lbs
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