rhagfo
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Just thought i would post some current pictures of my TV and 5er. Just installed wet bolts and Correct Track on the 5er. and it is now where I am happy with how level it is.
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Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
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Cummins12V98
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mastercraftka wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:2016 Cypress 38BHR
2011 2500HD Chevrolet Duramax
Here are the specs, 2016 CYPRESS 38BHR WEIGHTS Dry Weight 14868 LBS GVWR 16000 LBS
So you must have one of them "SPECIAL" 2500 pickemup trucks???
I guess you are saying that I don't have enough truck for that trailer? It pulls fine, hec my dad has an '02 2500HD and pulls a much heavier Avion with his. He has pulled it many many miles.
Have you weighed your rear truck axle? It aint about "PULLING" it's about "HANDLING" the load!
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mastercraftka wrote:I do appreciate the concerns, but I do think that the trailer falls below the rating for the truck all though it be close it is within the limits. This is my daily driver as well. IF I could afford to get a dedicated tower it would be a 1 ton. But we wanted the most trailer we could get and still stay within the specs of the truck. I think it is 17K for my particular truck.
Mike
You are where you are but people PLEASE don't be cutting things so close!!! The 17K number at only 20% pin is 3,400# the reality is 25% is easily obtained with a 5er. When they say 17K they are most likely referring to a gooseneck trailer.
So if you add 3,400# for pin and another 300# for hitch along with 300# for tool box and contents you are looking at 4,000# added to the rear axle weight not including any passengers. If 25% that number jumps to 4,850#.
I think your comments above should really be thought about. This "I can't afford" statement, IMHO is where a lot of people justify their purchase of too much RV for the previously owned TV.
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Looks great and you are within your rear tires ratings.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:mastercraftka wrote:I do appreciate the concerns, but I do think that the trailer falls below the rating for the truck all though it be close it is within the limits. This is my daily driver as well. IF I could afford to get a dedicated tower it would be a 1 ton. But we wanted the most trailer we could get and still stay within the specs of the truck. I think it is 17K for my particular truck.
Mike
You are where you are but people PLEASE don't be cutting things so close!!! The 17K number at only 20% pin is 3,400# the reality is 25% is easily obtained with a 5er. When they say 17K they are most likely referring to a gooseneck trailer.
So if you add 3,400# for pin and another 300# for hitch along with 300# for tool box and contents you are looking at 4,000# added to the rear axle weight not including any passengers. If 25% that number jumps to 4,850#.
I think your comments above should really be thought about. This "I can't afford" statement, IMHO is where a lot of people justify their purchase of too much RV for the previously owned TV.
I also tend to agree, truck weight limitations are there for a specific reason. For myself I like to be well on the other side of things and KNOW I have enough truck no matter what. Unfortunately I don't agree with those who own 3/4 tons and want to pull on the edge of its limits or add bags/leaves to try and accommodate more weight. We pull roughly 12,000lbs of camper and a 5000LB boat behind that. I will always own a dually for towing this type of rig, and well only be getting bigger fivers as kids come into the picture. I guess towing safety was installed quite heavily into my brain having a father who drove semi all his life. Always taught me the most important parts of towing. PRE TRIP, LEVEL TRAILER, and adequate tow vehicle
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rhagfo
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Cummins12V98 wrote:mastercraftka wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:2016 Cypress 38BHR
2011 2500HD Chevrolet Duramax
Here are the specs, 2016 CYPRESS 38BHR WEIGHTS Dry Weight 14868 LBS GVWR 16000 LBS
So you must have one of them "SPECIAL" 2500 pickemup trucks???
I guess you are saying that I don't have enough truck for that trailer? It pulls fine, hec my dad has an '02 2500HD and pulls a much heavier Avion with his. He has pulled it many many miles.
Have you weighed your rear truck axle? It aint about "PULLING" it's about "HANDLING" the load!
Cummins, what do you think? He sees one number Max trailer rating 17,000# well then He can hook up 17,000# and have no worries.
There are many that to Heavy with 250/2500, but are aware of their weights and capacities. The 16,000# GVWR of the 5er brings up two issues.
#1. the payload is 1,100# or less, those are brochure weights. Likely with a rig that big, far more than 1,1000# will be loaded into it.
#2. It is right at what most consider Max for a 350/3500 SRW, so likely this package is stretching the rear axle GAWR.
If Mastercraftka, had mentioned that he had weighed, and had axle rating of xx# and tire rating of yy#, and loaded the rear axle was at least within the yy#'s of the tire rating it would be so bad, but the fact he is only referencing Max trailer weight means he either doesn't have a clue or just doesn't care.
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Bionic Man
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Welcome to RV.net. Where the weight police are very active and vocal.
Axle and tire ratings are the most important ones in my opinion. I wouldn't go over those.
If you tow heavy you are more likely to wear things out early, but that is the nature of the beast.
Be safe.
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I don't believe they're weight police....you find those at the scales.
I believe they're just owners trying to help educate an unsuspecting/uneducated owner as to how it all works in the real world vs. what the salesman say. I was that unsuspecting/uneducated guy at one time and so I'm appreciative that they all laid it out for me.
For instance.....I had loaded in to my 5th wheel about twice the weight that I suspected I had loaded....and I thought I was guessing extra heavy at that. I also never considered the weight of the 5th wheel hitch itself, the weight on my in bed tool box and all that I had in there....being added weight to the rear axel. Hell, I thought I was doing myself a favor by taking some of the small heavy stuff from the trailer and putting it in my tool box. Once I was educated to all the numbers it became so "obvious".....but if you don't know...then you just don't know.
Of course I could be all wrong....this is all just my humble opinion. These guys could really be weight police. LOL
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rhagfo
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Bionic Man wrote:Welcome to RV.net. Where the weight police are very active and vocal.
Axle and tire ratings are the most important ones in my opinion. I wouldn't go over those.
If you tow heavy you are more likely to wear things out early, but that is the nature of the beast.
Be safe.
You are correct while GVWR on 250/2500 is mostly a Tax/Registration number, the last number you want to use is Max trailer.
I agree 100% that axle and tire are the most important, and tire is #1!!! I am not the weight police, as I tow over my 2500's GVWR, but still well within axle and tire.
I think those that never weigh the rig loaded are either towing a popup with a one ton, or are unaware. Thew unaware is what worries me.
In Oregon and Washington the DOT weigh stations leave their scales on 24/7/365, so anytime they are not open you can slide in and weigh your rig. I also believe that Colorado leaves them on also.
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rhagfo wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:mastercraftka wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:2016 Cypress 38BHR
2011 2500HD Chevrolet Duramax
Here are the specs, 2016 CYPRESS 38BHR WEIGHTS Dry Weight 14868 LBS GVWR 16000 LBS
So you must have one of them "SPECIAL" 2500 pickemup trucks???
I guess you are saying that I don't have enough truck for that trailer? It pulls fine, hec my dad has an '02 2500HD and pulls a much heavier Avion with his. He has pulled it many many miles.
Have you weighed your rear truck axle? It aint about "PULLING" it's about "HANDLING" the load!
Cummins, what do you think? He sees one number Max trailer rating 17,000# well then He can hook up 17,000# and have no worries.
There are many that to Heavy with 250/2500, but are aware of their weights and capacities. The 16,000# GVWR of the 5er brings up two issues.
#1. the payload is 1,100# or less, those are brochure weights. Likely with a rig that big, far more than 1,1000# will be loaded into it.
#2. It is right at what most consider Max for a 350/3500 SRW, so likely this package is stretching the rear axle GAWR.
If Mastercraftka, had mentioned that he had weighed, and had axle rating of xx# and tire rating of yy#, and loaded the rear axle was at least within the yy#'s of the tire rating it would be so bad, but the fact he is only referencing Max trailer weight means he either doesn't have a clue or just doesn't care.
I noticed the same thing on the carrying capacity. I am willing to bet the tires on the RV are "E" rated and this is what keeps the axles from being overloaded.
Not knowing is really scary. My MS "DRY" was 18,075# but after adding Gen and who knows what else I weigh 23K. I would not have believed that number was possible but I weighed our combo several times at the DOT scales in WA.
I am not trying to be a jerk with my comments I just want people to understand there is more to this whole RV/TV proper combination thing than some realize. I used to be blind to all this until I started reading these forums and listening to those that have been there and done that!
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