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StingrayL82

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Dang it! I made smiley face emojis but they showed up as question marks.


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Griff in Fairbanks wrote:

StingrayL82 wrote:

I’m not knocking the Holley, it’s a great carb but I never understood why they used it on small block motorhomes. My ‘73 Fireball had no guts going up hill.

I was wondering that but didn't have enough info. I supposed they rejetted it but the size of venturis can't be changed.

It's probably good to assume what works on a big block won't work on a small block and vice versa.

All the parts have to work together ... and need to suit the application and use.

I've seen too many people make a big change in one area and wonder why their vehicle suddenly runs crappy instead of better. Likewise, I've seen guys build engines suitable for stock car races and are "less than impressive" while profiling around town.


I think what renders it useless on the motorhome is the combination of the weight of the motorhome and gear ratio. I don't know if you've ever been up Pacheco Pass on Hwy. 152, but that poor Fireball just did not want to go up it. I was in 2nd gear most of the way up and even had to go down to 1st at one point, and I could only go 15MPH.

The 2245 is used on AMC/Jeeps with the 304, and it does a fine job, but you're right, there's only so much you can do with jetting, the venturis can't be changed. I don't think Mopar took that into consideration, as the small block MB300 did not have the option for a 4BBL in 1975, only 2BBL.

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Mine came with a ThermoQuad already, so that should help. I seem to remember my grandfather saying he got about 10 mpg, but he never drove over 45. LOL


I'm curious if yours came that way from the factory or whether your grandfather had the same idea as me and ditched the 2245. If it came that way from the factory, it shows me that Mopar realized their error in using 2BBL carbs on the MB chassis.

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I know when I rebuilt my 360, I put in a new 4bbl carb (it had a rebuilt 2bbl). That first trip out, a friend with a 440 was joining me. He couldn't keep up with me.


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This is the only picture I have of our old '73 Fireball. It's a still taken from video we took in 2002, when we were at Yosemite. It came with a swamp cooler. At some point, the water hose had broken and water soaked all the wood frame.

I learned a lot of lessons from that rig.

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toedtoes wrote:

I know when I rebuilt my 360, I put in a new 4bbl carb (it had a rebuilt 2bbl). That first trip out, a friend with a 440 was joining me. He couldn't keep up with me.


Good! That's what I wanted to hear (or read, as it were). On the dyno, mine was a beast, but real world application trumps all.

What kind of mileage are you getting with it?

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DRTDEVL wrote:

My contractor lives in a 73 Dodge MH with a 360 and the 2245 Holley. I was wondering about that on his, too (I looked at it to see what's wrong since it quit running after the last parking, the float is stuck and flooding everything out). I would assume his has no guts uphill, whereas I can definitely hear the secondaries kick in on mine going uphill or leaving the stoplight briskly.

Just woke up and haven't read all the overnight posts yet ... so, I may be repeating things here.

The 2245 is a two barrel so no secondaries. Just two constantly "on" barrels, like the primaries in four barrel carburetors.

What you were/are hearing it the transmission downshifting into second gear.

My carburetor expert, friend, and former boss died several weeks ago after a long battle with cancer. So, I have nobody I really trust for carburetor questions. Otherwise, I fire off an email to him and maybe point him to this discussion for his thoughts and experience. He's rebuilt hundreds and his large group of gearhead friends have probably used a hundred more.

Your contractor's 2245 may be dirty or gummed up.

Likewise, the cylinder rings/walls may be worn. (Unlikely in a motorhome.) One or more compression rings may be stuck. (More likely in a motorhome.) Or, the valves may be worn, dirty, or gummed up. All of this would mean cylinder blowby.

He may have one or more "collapsed" lifters.

The distributor might be mistimed or not getting enough vacuum.

All of this, individually or collectively, would lead to loss of power. This forces the operator to apply more throttle than he/she would need to with everything in good condition and working right.

The A727 automatic transmission has a linkage to the throttle linkage. Press the throttle far enough and the transmission linkage engages, causing the transmission to downshift.


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1972 Executive Class A on a Dodge M375 chassis with 413 cu. in.
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StingrayL82 wrote:

I think what renders it useless on the motorhome is the combination of the weight of the motorhome and gear ratio. I don't know if you've ever been up Pacheco Pass on Hwy. 152, but that poor Fireball just did not want to go up it. I was in 2nd gear most of the way up and even had to go down to 1st at one point, and I could only go 15MPH.

Not necessarily. I'll bet you just about any amount Turnagain Pass is longer and steeper than Pacheco Pass. (Warning: I make bets but don't gamble ... several "educated" Lieutenants have contributed to my income during arguments as a result.)

My '69/70 M300 Class A with a 318 and Carter BBD went up just fine. I'd be passing just about everybody on the way up. I even passed a 'vette one time ... and my wife said the look on the 'vette driver's face was "just precious."

I only had to downshift for the last quarter mile. I'd downshift manually with the gearshift lever ... the engine still had ample power to make all the way but the motorhome was slowing down more than I wanted.

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Griff in Fairbanks wrote:

DRTDEVL wrote:

My contractor lives in a 73 Dodge MH with a 360 and the 2245 Holley. I was wondering about that on his, too (I looked at it to see what's wrong since it quit running after the last parking, the float is stuck and flooding everything out). I would assume his has no guts uphill, whereas I can definitely hear the secondaries kick in on mine going uphill or leaving the stoplight briskly.

Just woke up and haven't read all the overnight posts yet ... so, I may be repeating things here.

The 2245 is a two barrel so no secondaries. Just two constantly "on" barrels, like the primaries in four barrel carburetors.

What you were/are hearing it the transmission downshifting into second gear.

My carburetor expert, friend, and former boss died several weeks ago after a long battle with cancer. So, I have nobody I really trust for carburetor questions. Otherwise, I fire off an email to him and maybe point him to this discussion for his thoughts and experience. He's rebuilt hundreds and his large group of gearhead friends have probably used a hundred more.

Your contractor's 2245 may be dirty or gummed up.

Likewise, the cylinder rings/walls may be worn. (Unlikely in a motorhome.) One or more compression rings may be stuck. (More likely in a motorhome.) Or, the valves may be worn, dirty, or gummed up. All of this would mean cylinder blowby.

He may have one or more "collapsed" lifters.

The distributor might be mistimed or not getting enough vacuum.

All of this, individually or collectively, would lead to loss of power. This forces the operator to apply more throttle than he/she would need to with everything in good condition and working right.

The A727 automatic transmission has a linkage to the throttle linkage. Press the throttle far enough and the transmission linkage engages, causing the transmission to downshift.



No, I have a ThermoQuad. I can tell the difference in sound when the secondaries open, with or without a downshift. I think you were a bit confused as to which RV I was speaking of at the time when I mentioned secondaries.

As for my contractor's carb, its a stuck float for sure. I can start it, but fuel pours out of the bowl vent when running.

I'm no stranger to the world of magic venturis.

I told him that when he gets a chance, he should pull the carb and give it to me. I'll clean it all up and get it working right in my spare time.


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Well shes finally all legal eagle after being set to the side for a year the ford tires and rims off my f350 performed well. Next is to get the exhaust fixed have a leak on the passenger side where the manifold meets collector. Does anyone have an idea on where i can get manifolds as my drivers side is cracked. Also cam question what would be the best cam to put into the 360

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@DRTDEVL -- I stand corrected ... and unconfused. (In this case only, confusion is a normal state of being.)

I noticed your sigblock ... "resurrection" is almost always possible in older motorhomes ... assuming the body/house isn't falling apart.

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