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Hybridhunter wrote:rhagfo wrote:Hybridhunter wrote:trcgolf wrote:I am thinking of trading my 6.0 3/4 for a 3/4 diesel... I get 8 mpg towing a 10500 lb fiver. Looking for someone who tows a similar rig with a diesel to see if the upgrade can be justified.
Understand there is no comparison on power but it still comes down to economics
Lot's of fleet cost experience here.... you will save on gas, but all the numbers I've seen tell me you won't get your money back, but you may enjoy the towing experience more.
Getting cost back????
There is cost and then there is VALUE!
Yes you will get better fuel mileage with a Diesel, will it make up for the added cost, not likely.
Huge maintenance cost! Well depends on the diesel Fords are the highest, GM next, and Cummins cost the least to maintain. Yes, I can buy a 7.99 Purolator filter, but prefer the Fleetguard for about $5.00 more. I go 10,000 miles on an oil change 3 gals. of Delo 15-40 oil, fuel filter about $20.
Value, knowing you can move the load, priceless!
Your fear and ignorance of gas engines does not make them incapable or inferior.
Not incapable, just not as capable!
Too many fear Diesels due to Ford debacle with the 6.0, 6.4, and now some (likely very few) CP4 high pressure fuel pump failures on the 6.7. The issues isn't so much the pump failed, it is Ford reportedly denies the warranty claim.
I would really like to know the true percentage of failures, and the percentage of denied claims.
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just to move this thread along on a site call Fast Lane Trucking
http://www.tfltruck.com/ click the Ike Gauntlet tab and watch some of the test they do..
a couple i watched was 2500 GMC gas and diesel version with the same weight going up the 8 mile 7% grade from Silverthorne CO to the Ike tunnel on I-70.
The gasser got 2.5 mpg and it took 10 min or so at WOT while the diesel did that in like 8 min and got 4 mpg..
I say watch both videos of the runs and see for yourself the main difference between gas and diesel.
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carl2591 wrote:just to move this thread along on a site call Fast Lane Trucking
http://www.tfltruck.com/ click the Ike Gauntlet tab and watch some of the test they do..
a couple i watched was 2500 GMC gas and diesel version with the same weight going up the 8 mile 7% grade from Silverthorne CO to the Ike tunnel on I-70.
The gasser got 2.5 mpg and it took 10 min or so at WOT while the diesel did that in like 8 min and got 4 mpg..
I say watch both videos of the runs and see for yourself the main difference between gas and diesel.
Then, on the same site, look at the top fastest towing times up the same mountain and also 0-60 times. You will be surprised to find mostly gassers, of course one being the Ford F-150 EB.
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RinconVTR wrote:Then, on the same site, look at the top fastest towing times up the same mountain and also 0-60 times. You will be surprised to find mostly gassers, of course one being the Ford F-150 EB.
Yes but at what RPM? Engines don't survive at higher RPM's
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Well...if I wanted screaming fast..I too would go gas..but that is not the issue as being quickest..says nadda about longetivity or torque.
Let's try a different test : same 3 competitors - same load, but a 35 mile 6-7% grade. And let's do that 10-15 times...now you have usable data.
You want to pull a +10,000lb RV?..get a 3500 diesel dually, you will rue the day you bought otherwise.
I pull thru the Canadian Rockies.. and have a bit of experience with both gas powered and diesel powered tow vehicles.
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RinconVTR wrote:carl2591 wrote:just to move this thread along on a site call Fast Lane Trucking
http://www.tfltruck.com/ click the Ike Gauntlet tab and watch some of the test they do..
a couple i watched was 2500 GMC gas and diesel version with the same weight going up the 8 mile 7% grade from Silverthorne CO to the Ike tunnel on I-70.
The gasser got 2.5 mpg and it took 10 min or so at WOT while the diesel did that in like 8 min and got 4 mpg..
I say watch both videos of the runs and see for yourself the main difference between gas and diesel.
Then, on the same site, look at the top fastest towing times up the same mountain and also 0-60 times. You will be surprised to find mostly gassers, of course one being the Ford F-150 EB.
I know that F-150 Eco Boost is a animal for sure. it out pulls the diesels and i believe remember seeing 9 MPG uphill... WOW for sure. Now put that motor in a f-250 body, up the size from 3.2L to 4.3L and get the F out the way..
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Steakman wrote:Being able to pull easily up a 6% grade for 35km at 60mph...priceless.
Priceless? I thought we had to pay extra for that option.
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bkirkpatrick wrote:RinconVTR wrote:Then, on the same site, look at the top fastest towing times up the same mountain and also 0-60 times. You will be surprised to find mostly gassers, of course one being the Ford F-150 EB.
Yes but at what RPM? Engines don't survive at higher RPM's
Who here has lost an engine due to running it in it's normal operating rpm range?
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Hannibal wrote:bkirkpatrick wrote:RinconVTR wrote:Then, on the same site, look at the top fastest towing times up the same mountain and also 0-60 times. You will be surprised to find mostly gassers, of course one being the Ford F-150 EB.
Yes but at what RPM? Engines don't survive at higher RPM's
Who here has lost an engine due to running it in it's normal operating rpm range?
they also did a test on the Ram 2500 with 6.2 or 3L and that thing screams up the hill at 5K RPM at 2.2 MPG.. So teh best for full timeing with trailer is a diesel.
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Hannibal wrote:bkirkpatrick wrote:RinconVTR wrote:Then, on the same site, look at the top fastest towing times up the same mountain and also 0-60 times. You will be surprised to find mostly gassers, of course one being the Ford F-150 EB.
Yes but at what RPM? Engines don't survive at higher RPM's
Who here has lost an engine due to running it in it's normal operating rpm range?
I have seen many lifters drop prematurely (100,000 miles and under). Bad maintenance? I don't think so. All were maintained good. All of these motors were worked very hard though pulling trailers that were heavy. On a side note though, I have never seen a stock engine lose it's rolling assembly under normal conditions.
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