Hannibal
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Chakara wrote:Massive thread, I didn't read it all....
However I love my 5.9. I get (measured) 13-15mpg towing here up a lot of grades here in NN. Live at 5k feet and usually camp at 8k. Love the power, and love that I drive a stick.
Best of all worlds....wouldn't go back and hope this truck (3 years mine) lasts forever.....
-Chak
That's great mileage! I only get 11-13 towing in the Blue Ridge Mountains with my 5.4L F250 and 8500~lb 5th wheel.
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trcgolf wrote:I am thinking of trading my 6.0 3/4 for a 3/4 diesel... I get 8 mpg towing a 10500 lb fiver. Looking for someone who tows a similar rig with a diesel to see if the upgrade can be justified.
Understand there is no comparison on power but it still comes down to economics
Lot's of fleet cost experience here.... you will save on gas, but all the numbers I've seen tell me you won't get your money back, but you may enjoy the towing experience more.
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rhagfo
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Hybridhunter wrote:trcgolf wrote:I am thinking of trading my 6.0 3/4 for a 3/4 diesel... I get 8 mpg towing a 10500 lb fiver. Looking for someone who tows a similar rig with a diesel to see if the upgrade can be justified.
Understand there is no comparison on power but it still comes down to economics
Lot's of fleet cost experience here.... you will save on gas, but all the numbers I've seen tell me you won't get your money back, but you may enjoy the towing experience more.
Getting cost back????
There is cost and then there is VALUE!
Yes you will get better fuel mileage with a Diesel, will it make up for the added cost, not likely.
Huge maintenance cost! Well depends on the diesel Fords are the highest, GM next, and Cummins cost the least to maintain. Yes, I can buy a 7.99 Purolator filter, but prefer the Fleetguard for about $5.00 more. I go 10,000 miles on an oil change 3 gals. of Delo 15-40 oil, fuel filter about $20.
Value, knowing you can move the load, priceless!
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rhagfo wrote:Hybridhunter wrote:trcgolf wrote:I am thinking of trading my 6.0 3/4 for a 3/4 diesel... I get 8 mpg towing a 10500 lb fiver. Looking for someone who tows a similar rig with a diesel to see if the upgrade can be justified.
Understand there is no comparison on power but it still comes down to economics
Lot's of fleet cost experience here.... you will save on gas, but all the numbers I've seen tell me you won't get your money back, but you may enjoy the towing experience more.
Getting cost back????
There is cost and then there is VALUE!
Yes you will get better fuel mileage with a Diesel, will it make up for the added cost, not likely.
Huge maintenance cost! Well depends on the diesel Fords are the highest, GM next, and Cummins cost the least to maintain. Yes, I can buy a 7.99 Purolator filter, but prefer the Fleetguard for about $5.00 more. I go 10,000 miles on an oil change 3 gals. of Delo 15-40 oil, fuel filter about $20.
Value, knowing you can move the load, priceless!
Priceless is the deal for sure.. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
Have to agree with this fact as well.. plus if you are running an oil bypass filter like the FS-2500 and doing Used Oil Analysis UOA You might be going more than 10K miles on that oil especially with the synthetic T-6 Rotella.
On amazon the fleetguard filters are 9 bucks and the mobile 1 which is a higher filtration filter is sometime less like $7.99. The cost of oil over the life of a diesel, 400K+, pulling a trailer vs with a gasser you might go 200K miles, plus the difference in MPG it for the most part becomes a wash.
So with that said you come out a happier camper with a diesel from my POV.
On a side note.. was at a customer house last week that pulls a 23 ft V nose cargo trailer that weighs 17K up and down eastern US, west to mississippi. He has a 2 1/2 yr old silverado gasser 6.0? because his wife did not want a diesel.. he gets 8-9 mpg pulling the trailer.. now he runs 70+ all the time...
he figured with the difference in MPG between gas and diesel plus oil and such he would be even at this point even factoring in extra diesel engine cost on the truck and fuel. 2.5 yrs at 63K miles and 80ish % are pulling the trailer.
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Just picked up a 2015 chevy 3500 with the 6.0. I tow a 27' rainier.traded In my 08 cummins hope I didn't make a huge mistake.
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Steventurner wrote:Just picked up a 2015 chevy 3500 with the 6.0. I tow a 27' rainier.traded In my 08 Cummins hope I didn't make a huge mistake.
The weight of that trailer doesn't even work that Cummins, the 6.0 should do fine for that trailer.
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rhagfo wrote:Steventurner wrote:Just picked up a 2015 chevy 3500 with the 6.0. I tow a 27' rainier.traded In my 08 Cummins hope I didn't make a huge mistake.
The weight of that trailer doesn't even work that Cummins, the 6.0 should do fine for that trailer.
Yup, when the RPMs are at 5000, it should work fine. You can't beat a diesel.
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Hannibal
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Seems the diesel only fans are struggling to hang on to the diesel only mantra. The 6.0L will do fine with the 27' Rainier.
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It may well pull it but for how long..?? Low torque, hi revs, gonna need a serious tranny cooler and so on and on.
Buying diesel is not going to break your bank, yes it is higher initial cost..but with decent regular fluid maintenance, it will out live a gasser 2 to 1.
Im now at 427,000 km. Not an issue with the motor or Transmission..nadda. simply wear parts that will also occur with a gas engined vehicle.
Gas mileage could be up to 25% or better than with a gas engine...hands down. I get on avg 13mpg pulling my 10k lbs 5th wheel...no BS there. You sure as hell wont see that with a gas powered truck...not even close.
Being able to pull easily up a 6% grade for 35km at 60mph...priceless.
I would never in a million yrs go back to a gas powered truck for towing...
M'self and the Bride...of 32 yrs
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rhagfo wrote:Hybridhunter wrote:trcgolf wrote:I am thinking of trading my 6.0 3/4 for a 3/4 diesel... I get 8 mpg towing a 10500 lb fiver. Looking for someone who tows a similar rig with a diesel to see if the upgrade can be justified.
Understand there is no comparison on power but it still comes down to economics
Lot's of fleet cost experience here.... you will save on gas, but all the numbers I've seen tell me you won't get your money back, but you may enjoy the towing experience more.
Getting cost back????
There is cost and then there is VALUE!
Yes you will get better fuel mileage with a Diesel, will it make up for the added cost, not likely.
Huge maintenance cost! Well depends on the diesel Fords are the highest, GM next, and Cummins cost the least to maintain. Yes, I can buy a 7.99 Purolator filter, but prefer the Fleetguard for about $5.00 more. I go 10,000 miles on an oil change 3 gals. of Delo 15-40 oil, fuel filter about $20.
Value, knowing you can move the load, priceless!
Your fear and ignorance of gas engines does not make them incapable or inferior.
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