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Taco wrote: jevanb wrote: just wait till you sell the diesel, father inlaw just sold his 2007 dmax LBZ for 29k he bought it for 35k in 2007 brand new, try that in a gas equipped truck, you could not even do that if the gas truck was a 2012.
I have posted this before but it is still true.
I think the diesel resale value has a lot to do with the greater fool theory (real theory, google it).
The gm 6.0 vortec that I own has a B10 of 200,000 miles the duramax option in the same truck has a b10 of 220,000 miles.
A pickup truck with 150,000+ miles diesel or gas is used slam up. There is no way in the world that a diesel with 150k on the clock is worth 8-10k or more than an equivalent gasser. It just doesn't have that much more design life left in the engine and the chassis is well used on both also.
Diesel resale just comes down to the one who buys it last is left holding the bag, or wins the title of "the greatest fool".
I WOULD NOT MAKE A FINANCIAL JUSTIFICATION ON A PURCHASE BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEONE WILL GREATLY OVERPAY FOR IT WHEN I AM DONE USING IT.
Well more important is the B50 rating that is what shows longevity!
B10 means that by the stated mileage 10% to the sample will need major engine repair. This is defined as removal of a head or oil pan.
B50 is how long 50% of the engines will require major repair.
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Taco wrote:
A pickup truck with 150,000+ miles diesel or gas is used slam up. really??? I guess I should sell my truck since it is all used up. I was under the impression all these years I could get 500k out of my diesel, guess I was wrong..
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jevanb wrote: Taco wrote:
A pickup truck with 150,000+ miles diesel or gas is used slam up. really??? I guess I should sell my truck since it is all used up. I was under the impression all these years I could get 500k out of my diesel, guess I was wrong.. ![doh [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif)
HAHAHA!! I was thinking the same thing. Heck, I have 6.0 Fords with over 200,000 miles on them still going strong and they have been beat up on.
Here's one of them with close to 30,000# hooked to it. (The truck on the trailer has 1000 gallons of water in it.)
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jevanb wrote: Taco wrote:
A pickup truck with 150,000+ miles diesel or gas is used slam up. really??? I guess I should sell my truck since it is all used up. I was under the impression all these years I could get 500k out of my diesel, guess I was wrong.. ![doh [emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif)
Well Jevanb that makes two of us, looks like I have been running on borrowed time for almost 120,000 miles!!
Yep my tired old diesel is done, I and only pull our 11,000# 5er (19,000) GCVW up 6% grades at 60 mph with 3.55's.
Current 2nd Gen Ram in my area are selling for more than I plaid for it three years ago.
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Sure there are examples of vehicles that make it past their design life both gas and diesel but I wouldn't make a purchase expecting it to happen.
You have to admit there is something a little foolish about a truck selling for 70% of it's original purchase price that has 30% of it's design life left and has it's most trouble free and lowest maintenance miles behind it. It might last another 200k or it might last 10k. I don't want to pay $30,000 to find out.
Some of you guys are fortunate enough to be able to sweat a fully depreciated asset in taking a truck past it's design life, but don't pretend that it is a sure thing.
The wrench in the works is that the purchase of a vehicle and even more so diesel trucks goes beyond a reasoned decision to purchase a vehicle for it's utility. There is lots of emotion that goes into it. It is what makes a Harley Davidson cost more than a functionally superior yamaha, and keeps the harley resale high. I just cannot bring myself to financially justify a purchase based on the hope that someone will overpay for it above it's actual utility value based on a desire for its intangible emotional value.
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Taco wrote: Sure there are examples of vehicles that make it past their design life both gas and diesel but I wouldn't make a purchase expecting it to happen.
You have to admit there is something a little foolish about a truck selling for 70% of it's original purchase price that has 30% of it's design life left and has it's most trouble free and lowest maintenance miles behind it. It might last another 200k or it might last 10k. I don't want to pay $30,000 to find out.
Some of you guys are fortunate enough to be able to sweat a fully depreciated asset in taking a truck past it's design life, but don't pretend that it is a sure thing.
The wrench in the works is that the purchase of a vehicle and even more so diesel trucks goes beyond a reasoned decision to purchase a vehicle for it's utility. There is lots of emotion that goes into it. It is what makes a Harley Davidson cost more than a functionally superior yamaha, and keeps the harley resale high. I just cannot bring myself to financially justify a purchase based on the hope that someone will overpay for it above it's actual utility value based on a desire for its intangible emotional value.
It's not an emotional value all the time. I'm sure there are people that buy and pay a premium for a diesel because they think it will last long because of what it is but from my own records at work for 20 years worth of trucks. Diesel engines don't really where out because of miles as much as they do for time. I would buy a 2012 diesel with a 150,000 miles on it before I would a 2005 with 50,000 miles on it. Our gas engines have shown to be the opposite. No matter how new or old they start getting the little knocks and pings and running problems around 150,000 miles. We did have a V10 though that was still running good at 150,000 when we sold it. We have one 6.2 Ford and I ordered another that is suppose to be in this week. The jury is still out on this motor for us. No problems as of yet but it is a dog with a tool trailer hooked to it.
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the dealer I bought my truck from called me a few weeks ago and wanted to see if I wanted a new truck, I said I will come down and look, at the dealership they offered me 21k for my truck, if it was a gas prob would of been 7k. I guess it did hold its value..
Someone ought to tell this couple that their truck is 5 times over its expected life..
http://autos.aol.com/article/million-miles-family-truck-7-years/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl30%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D334080
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jevanb wrote: the dealer I bought my truck from called me a few weeks ago and wanted to see if I wanted a new truck, I said I will come down and look, at the dealership they offered me 21k for my truck, if it was a gas prob would of been 7k. I guess it did hold its value..
Someone ought to tell this couple that their truck is 5 times over its expected life..
http://autos.aol.com/article/million-miles-family-truck-7-years/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl30%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D334080
That includes the discount off of the new truck. Don't be fooled by the numbers game. The trade in value for the gassers is inflated too for the same reason.
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jevanb wrote: the dealer I bought my truck from called me a few weeks ago and wanted to see if I wanted a new truck, I said I will come down and look, at the dealership they offered me 21k for my truck, if it was a gas prob would of been 7k. I guess it did hold its value..
Someone ought to tell this couple that their truck is 5 times over its expected life..
http://autos.aol.com/article/million-miles-family-truck-7-years/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl30%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D334080
There is a bit of speculation and scant little facts in that statement.
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Jevan B...that makes 4 of us.!
I cannot believe this beotch session is still going strong...LOL
Quote: ...I just cannot bring myself to financially justify a purchase based on the hope that someone will overpay for it above it's actual utility value based on a desire for its intangible emotional value....
Well to that I say fine if you change your vehicle every 3 years. I plan on driving mine pretty much forever.!
As such....
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Original Injectors
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I have done absolutely SQUAT to my LBZ Engine / Allison but the following:
Triple filter my fuel and double filter my oil
Added Transgo Jr Shift kit to the Ally and put on a deep pan
On both of those units - I change out fluids regularly
I dont consider my motor or transmission "wear parts" But figure at somewhere down the line I'll need HG's/ARP studs (and will do them). The Ally..?? gonna last forever (Transynd)
Speaking of Wear parts: 3 front Bearings to date, 6 sets of brake pads with 3 new rotors, new front calipers, rad, water pump, new fog light/headlight switch and went to LED/HID lighting...plus about 10 grand of other bling..(see link in my sig for details)
I fully expect to get 500K+ miles out of this unit...without a doubt. Should still be driving it in my 80's...LOL (with Santana Cranked.!)
Bottom line is this guys: Are diesels more expensive: yes
However with "normal" care they can last significfantly well past someones idea of a past due date....and besides, it's just now...nicely broken in
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