Jarlaxle
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Supercharged wrote:ilovetocamp wrote:Paying $1.55 a gallon for diesel and getting over 20mpg. Get over 20 mpg on gas and pay less, cost less, no smell, doesn't have to be a block long. And stop bring in all that oil on the carpet.
You don't get 20MPG from a 5.3 Silverado; please stop trolling, Supie!
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parkersdad
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I'm driving a Cummins and don't need it. We only have a 6,000 pound camper loaded but I love my diesel. Do what makes you feel good and the heck with everyone else. We have a guy at work that has a newer diesel and he never tows and never plans on towing. He keeps his trucks a while and he says he can get his money back out of a diesel.
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waynec1957
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My Duramax is getting 15-15.5 mpg combined hwy/city with less than 2,000 miles on it using winter blend fuel. From what everybody says, that'll probably get a lot better over time.
Everybody's wants, needs, and circumstances are different. That's probably one of the reasons this thread debating gas vs. diesel is 10 years old. I debated this with myself for over a year and there's no getting around the fact it's more expensive upfront to buy a diesel and more expensive to operate day-to-day. That's a given.
I was able to offset the upfront cost with my GM retiree discount and the rebates that were available at the time. I also get 2 years free oil changes. But, I still have to put diesel fuel in it which is 70-80 cents more than gas.
The bottom line is I knew it was going to be more expensive, but I WANTED the Duramax/Allison for the way it pulls. I couldn't justify that based on cost.
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Travis1963 wrote:I have read a large amount of this forum and have enjoyed most of it, for it's great info and sometimes humor. I do understand this is almost impossible but i would like to hear comments on my current situation. I am looking at a 2500 Ram 6.4liter gas and a 2500 Ram 6.7. Both new. I will buy one of these. I have a small one man lawn service. 16' work trailer, 5000 lbs. I will also load the bed with sand, dirt or mulch to its over flow many times a summer. It will also be my daily driver, 20,000 miles a year. My wife and I are looking for our third camper, a fifth wheel this time. I guess 10K to 12K weight. We live in flats of west Tn. but will go through Smokies regularly and over the Rockies a few times and plan for one trip to Alaska or Alberta. I think diesel fuel here is about .80 over gasoline. I am 50 and would like this to be my last new truck. I am truly on the fence and don't like being there. I have had an 8.1 Chevy with Allison, 95 cummins, 08 cummins lemon-lawed that one. The above info about usage of the new truck is as accurate as I can make it. I feel like I am right at the flipping point from one or the other. Thank you very much for any info on this very debated subject. I do appreciate it.
For everything but the pulling the trailer through the mountains regularly, I would say 100% the gasser. Our School district won't buy any diesels except for the full size school busses. The maintenance guys said it's just not worth it and they put a lot of miles on those gas duallies with the equipment trailers.
It's a tough call....
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I also notice more service trucks are now gassers. With the newer gas engines you get pretty good hauling/towing power and decent economy that I guess companies are recognizing. I will see if they pass the test of durability and their profit (maintenance/operating) tests.
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Travis1963 wrote: I wonder how long I will have to keep the diesel to make up for the $12.7K. just wait till you sell the diesel, father inlaw just sold his 2007 dmax LBZ for 29k he bought it for 35k in 2007 brand new, try that in a gas equipped truck, you could not even do that if the gas truck was a 2012.
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OhhWell
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jevanb wrote:Travis1963 wrote: I wonder how long I will have to keep the diesel to make up for the $12.7K. just wait till you sell the diesel, father inlaw just sold his 2007 dmax LBZ for 29k he bought it for 35k in 2007 brand new, try that in a gas equipped truck, you could not even do that if the gas truck was a 2012.
If the newer gas engines turn out to be less reliable and efficient due to power wars and the EPA, that may happen.
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jevanb wrote:just wait till you sell the diesel, father inlaw just sold his 2007 dmax LBZ for 29k he bought it for 35k in 2007 brand new, try that in a gas equipped truck, you could not even do that if the gas truck was a 2012.
I have posted this before but it is still true.
I think the diesel resale value has a lot to do with the greater fool theory (real theory, google it).
The gm 6.0 vortec that I own has a B10 of 200,000 miles the duramax option in the same truck has a b10 of 220,000 miles.
A pickup truck with 150,000+ miles diesel or gas is used slam up. There is no way in the world that a diesel with 150k on the clock is worth 8-10k or more than an equivalent gasser. It just doesn't have that much more design life left in the engine and the chassis is well used on both also.
Diesel resale just comes down to the one who buys it last is left holding the bag, or wins the title of "the greatest fool".
I WOULD NOT MAKE A FINANCIAL JUSTIFICATION ON A PURCHASE BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEONE WILL GREATLY OVERPAY FOR IT WHEN I AM DONE USING IT.
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Paul Clancy
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Do some simple comparisons on the web or at a lot and you will find
Diesel trucks DO get higher resale, so do 4wd trucks. No greater fool theory is needed. They simple don't depreciate as fast because they are desirable to the used buyer because of the high price of new. This has another interesting effect where used shoppers look at the high price of used low mile trucks and decide new with warranty is the better option. The real mystery is why a new gas truck with full load of options depreciates so quickly. Very tough to take at trade or sell off time.
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Hannibal
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Sounds like a good reason to buy gas when buying used as well.
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