Taco wrote:

My truck will pull up a grade faster than an 06 duramax stock for stock because it has more horsepower. Doesn't matter if it is 8k or 14k.

Crazyfoe wrote:

Who the bleep cares..does it do the job safely or not? It's like a fricken pissing match to which no side is going to convince the other so why bother....no one is going to take the test...again why bother. I don't care what people think anymore....I love my earth day truck and at the end of the day all that matters. But since your going to continue anyway I've got a 6-pack and popocorn ready....

transamz9 wrote:



Here we go again Hannibal, comparing apples to oranges. I have told you before I believe, I will be more than happy to meet you somewhere with my stock '05 cummins and we can do some test runs. Your 345 hp/365 lbft against my 325 hp/610 lbft. I'll bring my 18,000# trailer and you can pick the 500 mile route.

I see you now have a 2010 5.4 Ford? 320 hp? even better comparison. You should have the 6 speed trans, better for you. I'm still up for the test, are you?

Rvndave wrote:

Torque can be measured, horsepower is a calculation using torque and RPM. Torque is what turns my wheels. If someone wants to use a higher HP number and think they are going to be at the top of a mountain first, you will see them at the top, but only if the diesel waits for them!!!!! Another factor not being considered is the fact that the air is thinner as we go up the mountain, a turbo or supercharger reduces this power loss. I don't see how a naturally aspirated gas engine with lower torque numbers is going to beat a turbo diesel with comparable loads, and wind resistance to the top of a mountain. I suspect Hannibal is going by the seat of the pants feeling, or his past diesel had problems with his engine that reduced power output.

Taco wrote:

For all those that say torque turns my wheels that is exactly right. torque at the wheels not torque at the crankshaft.

An example: 660 revolutions of a tire per minute to go 60 mph.

Duramax LLY as found in MOST 2006 gm diesels

660 X 3.73 X 1.00 = 2461 rpm

at 2500 rpm per hypertech dyno chart a lly makes 500 ft lb

500 x 3.73 x 1.00 = 1865 ft lb to the WHEELS at 60 mph


2012 silverado 6.0

660 x 3.73 x 2.36 = 5800 rpm (200 below redline)

at 5800 rpm per hypertech dyno chart the 6.0 makes 270 ft lb of torque

270 x 3.73 x 2.36 = 2377 torque to the wheels

So at 60 mph at max effort the 6.0 is capable of 512 more ft lbs or TORQUE to the wheels than a lly duramax.

I already know what the diesel guys will say "ain't no way no gasser will out tow my big tough diesel."

which is why I said it is like explaining physics to a chimp

Hannibal wrote:



My 2010 5.4L F250 advertises 310hp/360ftlbs and has a 5spd TS transmission. What your truck has to do with my two previous trucks and how they compared towing the same 5th wheel, I don't know. I'm well beyond the age of racing up grades to prove a point. My comparison between my two trucks is fact. Just the same, if you're going to expect me to believe you tow 18000 lbs up a 6% grade 65mph in O/D, you need to cut back on the burritos. If we're ever in the same area and it's convenient, I'd be happy to hitch up your 18000 lb 5th wheel to my truck for no other reason than to see how it does good or bad. Fact is, if the grade requires 300hp to pull, your truck will be at 3k rpm, mine will be at 5k rpm IF they both produce their advertised HP. As elevation goes up, mine goes down. You'll never see a post where I've denied that. I can easily afford my 7th diesel pickup. If the gassers didn't perform to my satisfaction, I would be back in a diesel long before now.